Should I Keep Trading? Help/Advise need

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Quote from Lucias:

Why did you choose forex?

If you really want to continue..

1. I recommend you read Gary Smith's "How I Trade For A Living".
2. Dr. Steenbarger's traderfeed blog


You've been suckered probably by all the rainbow merchants. Trading success is possible but it requires finding what you are best at.

Successful trading is all about combinations. I consider myself an expert tape reader on the ES. However, I found out that the way I use it the skill is requires specific combinations. These combinations are often NOT obvious and do not come easy.

For example, you might already be using a successful method if you made your stop 4x as wide or reduced your target by 1/2 or if you only traded it at key times.

You have to understand all the factors that influence your market and then develop an ability to make a bet that has a better then average chance of working or will pay off better then average.

It helps often to think multi-dimensionally.

At end of day though, trading is very difficult and requires a lot of capital to do properly.

Think about this, a trader with 100k account risking just 3% of his capital per trade --can risk 3k per trade. A trader with 10k account risking 3% only has $300 to risk. If both trader make 33% per trade then the 3k trader makes 1k per trade which can add up to a decent living. The trader with 10k will only make $100 per trade or he will have to risk 20-30% per trade.

At any rate.. if you continue you will need to do the following:

1. Self assessment
2. Market assessment
3. Practice and development. Must do things different but keep what you are good at already.
4. Get capital

The thing is you have to learn from your mistakes while not changing what really works. So you have to do that work. You have to do figure out which is which. You have to do things differently.

Let's say you set your stop just below support and it keeps getting taken out. Then you have to do something different!!

Right.. It is not easy though. No one is guaranteed success in the markets.
 
NICE!!



Quote from HATEtheRisk:

Trading is hardcore......

It will test you with every new trade, every second you are in the trade......

If you want to succeed, you must do everything on your own.

[...] start to think for yourself and analyze the markets.

1. You must becom a scientist, to research the price behaviour.
2. you must create trading plans.
3. you must backtest your plans, with over hundreds of examles.
4. you must trade them in real time.
5. you must always learn your own rules and try to understand them.
6. you must start to trade with your own real money.
7. you must face the greed and fear, what comes, when you trade with your real money.

8. you must master the discipline quest.

9. you must train yourself everyday. pschological and strategies backtesting.

10. you must feel good about it.
 
4 years is worth something, I wouldn't throw it away, but I would throw away all the books you've been reading. Ask every trader what book they read that completely changed their life and turned them from loser to winner and read it.
 
Quote from athan00:

...Lately I started studying Sam Seiden Supply & Demand technique that seems really interesting and working as well. But needs lot of study (as everything of course) and practice...

Seems to me you already had your answer.

You found something new, it's interesting and its working. In addition, it's a lot of work.

Therefore, why did you start this thread if you should continue with trading if you found something that's working while you have another job unless you meant to say its not working. :confused:
 
Quote from oldtime:

4 years is worth something, I wouldn't throw it away, but I would throw away all the books you've been reading. Ask every trader what book they read that completely changed their life and turned them from loser to winner and read it.

One of the basic rules of trading is to cut your losses. Even though what you are advising has correct intentions, but your advice goes against this basic tenet.

In 4 yrs, a guy can complete college taking 40 subjects, and gaining enough knowledge to earn somewhere between 40 to 100k USD a year, depending on his specialization.

OP, I repeat, and having read other comments I recognize that I am being most straightforward and blunt.......but you have to cut your loss now. Since you say that you work somewhere, you must be seeing the difference in working for an organization where you have set duties VS working alone on your trading, where you can do whatever you may want to - without any control. Successful trading requires 'edge', and strong self discipline - traits not easy to develop. And you have already spent 4 yrs.


Think about the opportunity cost - what else you could have done in these 4 years - Seriously, take a minute and think about the other possibilities. Good Luck, this will be my last post on this thread, if you are smart you will take the right decision, otherwise you will feed your money to professional traders.
 
Quote from athan00:

All these years I ve studied SO many books/videos/webinars etc...

I don't think I have EVER read anything in a book or seen anything in a video that was of ANY HELP AT ALL in making money trading (yet I still have a hard time resisting having a look at a book or video).

As a matter of fact, if I were going to advise someone just starting in trading I would STRONGLY advise them to avoid all books, and instead just look at charts and THINK about how they might go about making money (and if they were lucky they would learn EARLY just how difficult a challenge that is--i.e., actually SEEING what's on the charts vs. seeing what you WANT to see).

IMO there is so much CRAP in books, and everything is SO FULL of indicators and other useless stuff, that potential traders are nearly permanently RUINED from learning how to trade because of it.
 
Quote from athan00:

Hi everyone!

I m trading forex for about 4 years now and I m not sure if I should quit forex trading or if there is a point on continue trying. I m stuck. I m trying to pass to the other side but I just can't!
All these years I ve studied SO many books/videos/webinars etc... Seriously I do not know what else to do. Everything, all the educational material out there are for newbies.
Lately I started studying Sam Seiden Supply & Demand technique that seems really interesting and working as well. But needs lot of study (as everything of course) and practice.
But is there a point of keep learning new stuff? It s like a never ending story.
Could anyone tell me a way out of this? I mean how should I continue? I m in a dead end and ready to quit forex but I ve really spent too much effort and hours.
And also is it possible to live on forex or is it just a dream?

Any advises / ideas are really welcome.

Athan




The darkest hour is just before dawn.


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Don't give up. You're on the right road. You've only run up against Barrier #1.

Persistence is the only medicine you need, not advice or more books.

The LAW OF THE UNIVERSE is on your side

He who would have, must first BE, then Do, then the HAVE come automatically.

So, BE a trader. Period.

Then DO.

The 3rd component will come. Its gotta.
 
Quote from deadbroke:

The darkest hour is just before dawn.


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Don't give up. You're on the right road. You've only run up against Barrier #1.

Persistence is the only medicine you need, not advice or more books.

The LAW OF THE UNIVERSE is on your side

He who would have, must first BE, then Do, then the HAVE come automatically.

So, BE a trader. Period.

Then DO.

The 3rd component will come. Its gotta.




Application of the DO part taken in a parallel field ......


A fellow closer, newly trained by yours truly, started in the field and had a string of 24 demos that met rejection, i.e. he could not close the deal. His spirit was sapped, he talked only of defeat, of not being able to pay his bills.

But then, in a coffee-shop meeting, I said to him, "you cannot fail even if you want to"

He was shocked to hear this.

His eyes lit up, he sat up in the chair, said, "do you have confidence that I will come thru'? .... Without hesitation I said, Yes.

Why, he asked?

Because the Universe never turns down the doer who power-does - the Universe got no answer in the face of such a doer except to give in and open the floodgates.

Fast forward 6 months - he was averaging $20k/month in commissions.
 
Further qualification of the DO component


The DO is so intense, so dedicated, so hard-working, so constantly breathing and digesting the wherewithal of the game, it never quits, there ceases to be any such thing as free time for the PASSION consumes the DOER. Relentless, intransigent persistence.

The Physical Universe got no answer except to give in to such a MAN or WOMAN or CHILD.
 
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