Should Everyone Be Allowed To Vote?

I don't own real estate, and I don't plan to. People who think they own real estate have been fooled. Just fail to pay your property taxes and the "true" owner of the real estate will come and take it from you.

I still have a stake in the elections. About 25% of my pay is ripped out of my paycheck every week and goes to various government agencies. If the government gets my money - I get to vote. Doesn't matter whether or not I went into hock up to my eyeballs to pretend I own real estate.
 
Quote from runningman:

Why is it republicans are always trying to keep people from voting? what are you afraid of? what don't you understand about a free country? with republicans, you really gotta watch what they DO not what they SAY. they fall back on buzzwords like FREEDOM but are always trying to ban things, limit freedom, and generally impart THEIR beliefs on others. Is that really the kind of country you want to live in?

Freedom doesn't mean anything goes.
And yes that's the country I want to live in.
Country where anybody who needs taxpayers money to survive wouldn't be allowed to vote. Why? Anybody unable to run his own life shouldn't have the right to any decision reg. the country. Simple, logical, correct.

Any fucking right in life should be earned.
 
Quote from Cesko:

Freedom doesn't mean anything goes.
And yes that's the country I want to live in.
Country where anybody who needs taxpayers money to survive wouldn't be allowed to vote. Why? Anybody unable to run his own life shouldn't have the right to any decision reg. the country. Simple, logical, correct.

Any fucking right in life should be earned.

tell me what you have done to earn the right to free speech. also, citation needed on a country that doesn't allow people who need taxpayer assistance to vote. Even Eye-Rak under Saddam let everyone vote.

PS Don't forget to opt out of Medicare and SS, protect that vote!
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

there are greater issues facing humanity than tax liability dude like pink pants

Dont know what this is, but it doesn't sound like my style.
 
That's not the 'underlying" precept of my argument at all. If you don't see the electorates penchant for benefits as a destructive fiscal exercise then you should buy this little break in ZB.

Just like Lehman wishes they'd have a big bonus pool this year the market has denied them. Just as American's want their big benefit pool the credit markets will deny them. Tax increases and other revenue enhancements are the short term funding gap equivalent of lipstick on a pig. Over the LONG HAUL there will NEVER be enough revenue to pay off the cost of our rising retirement obligations.

If I was without market view perhaps I'd be more conciliatory toward Obama voters. Instead I have an EXTREME market bias. I expect a chart of ZB to look much like a chart of Citi in 2 years. When that happens it'll be a world so new for the Federal government that there'll be rioting in the streets.






Quote from oktiri:

I think the underlying idea of your argument is that people who have more money are somewhat worth more than people without, and discounting the concept of "social elevator", whereas a citizen born poor and on the receiving end might and could get rich, affluent and pay more than his fair share of the societal tax burden over his lifetime.
Even worse, you seem to see everything through the deforming prism of cash flow. If I were to think this way, my wife is useless, I've been an incredible and heavy drag on my parents, every time someone demonstrates some goodwill towards me,I should immediately translate the perceived happiness into money and pay him/her accordingly.

Your vision of society conflicts with democracy, so instead of accusing Obama of communism, maybe you should be honest with yourself and start advocating feudalism, cause that's what you believe in.

We are all outraged & angry at people who abuse the social safety net and repeatedly fail to fulfill their responsibilities towards society. However, to take this Anger to a level where I throw away the entire concept of democracy for the simple reason that I think of myself as being "better" and more responsible is ludicrous.
I know many many people who gave up well paying jobs and opportunities to purse more altruistic careers.
I've seen my own father, an orthopedic surgeon, spend countless hours directing events for "Special Olympics." a NIL financial proposition...and Yet, he's never as happy as when he sees a smile on a retard's face.
money has its limits. I'm not for Communism, and neither am I for clinically cleaned gated communities

Or we can just follow your model and let IL NY and CA decide for the rest of the nation, since most Red states are living off earmarks directed to them by "small government" conservatives.
How much is NY /CA/ IL getting back for each $ paid to the feds ?
 
Quote from oktiri:

Such country exists, it's pre-revolutionary France, Fukface

I don't think we're really do'in the apple to apple thing here do you?

Are you and iceman1 related, or just have a hard time with civil discussions?
 
Anyone so fucking stupid to think Palin should be in the white house shouldn't be allowed to vote. I pay taxes but my goal every year is to get my tax bill as low as possible and if I could legally get it to zero or even have them send me a check I would. So by others opinions the more successful I am at keeping my money the less rights I have to vote, makes no sense. Another right wing plan shot down.
 
Quote from oktiri:

I think the underlying idea of your argument is that people who have more money are somewhat worth more than people without, and discounting the concept of "social elevator", whereas a citizen born poor and on the receiving end might and could get rich, affluent and pay more than his fair share of the societal tax burden over his lifetime.

In nature you will ALWAYS find parasitic relationships. Do you think it's right to allow parasites to vote on how the host distributes its own blood?
 
What, those fat cats on wall street who just got $700B of our tax dollars ~aren't~ parasites? they most certainly are, and they all own real estate too. So ET'ers get to decide which parasites get to vote and which do not?
 
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