Should Confederate War Memorials/Statues Be Abolished?

[El OchoCinco]

The patriot who stands up for slave owners!!!!!!!!

Good for you.

 

[UsualName]

the rebellion was led by the rich slave owners who did not want the government meddling in their slave owning.

The poor southerners who fought is the same ol story for thousands of years, the rich get their poor to fight their wars for them while the poor get no benefits. The southern poor woulds have gladly chosen to stay at home then go get slaughtered so their rich statesmen can keep their huge plantations.

Let's look at one historian's view which is quite reasonable:

More than 4 million enslaved human beings lived in the south, and they touched every aspect of the region’s social, political, and economic life. Slaves did not just work on plantations. In cities such as Charleston, they cleaned the streets, toiled as bricklayers, carpenters, blacksmiths, bakers, and laborers. They worked as dockhands and stevedores, grew and sold produce, purchased goods and carted them back to their masters’ homes where they cooked the meals, cleaned, raised the children, and tended to the daily chores. “Charleston looks more like a Negro country than a country settled by white people,” a visitor remarked.

Fear of a slave rebellion was palpable. The establishment of a black republic in Haiti and the insurrections, threatened and real, of Gabriel Prosser, Denmark Vesey, and Nat Turner stoked the fires. John Brown’s raid at Harper’s Ferry sent shock waves through the south. Throughout the decades leading up to 1860, slavery was a burning national issue, and political battles raged over the admission of new states as slave or free. Compromises were struck – the Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850 – but the controversy could not be laid to rest.

The South felt increasingly beleaguered as the North increased its criticism of slavery. Abolitionist societies sprang up, Northern publications demanded the immediate end of slavery, politicians waxed shrill about the immorality of human bondage, and overseas, the British parliament terminated slavery in the British West Indies. A prominent historian accurately noted that “by the late 1850’s most white Southerners viewed themselves as prisoners in their own country, condemned by what they saw as a hysterical abolition movement.”

As Southerners became increasingly isolated, they reacted by becoming more strident in defending slavery. The institution was not just a necessary evil: it was a positive good, a practical and moral necessity. Controlling the slave population was a matter of concern for all Whites, whether they owned slaves or not.

Correcto.

The wealthy plantation owners used media to gain support from the poor whites in the south spreading falsehoods such as an end to slavery will mean you will not have a job or have to work for lower wages. That crime would increase and women would be raped. Total anarchy. Plus it was always the unsaid status quo that oppressed poor whites would not rise against the wealthy plantation owners who exploit them as long as they kept their social caste above enslaved blacks.

Today it’s hispanics and this idea that working people are dependent on rich people for a livelihood. It’s the same old song.

 

[Snarkhund]

Correcto.

The wealthy plantation owners used media to gain support from the poor whites in the south spreading falsehoods such as an end to slavery will mean you will not have a job or have to work for lower wages. That crime would increase and women would be raped. Total anarchy. Plus it was always the unsaid status quo that oppressed poor whites would not rise against the wealthy plantation owners who exploit them as long as they kept their social caste above enslaved blacks.

Today it’s hispanics and this idea that working people are dependent on rich people for a livelihood. It’s the same old song.

Hmm.

Well you've kind of left out important details like the Democrats in the south opposing the "radical Republicans" during Reconstruction and those same Democrats forming the KKK with mass murders of freed slaves and white abolitionists. The KKK is a Democrat institution to this day. Shameful.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Ok but that is a separate issue from what was said and yet another misdirect from the issue.

That means you agree that the Southerners were mainly fighting to keep slavery, whether you were a wealthy plantation owner or a poor southerner who did not own slaves, you opposed the government telling you that you could not own slaves and thus the rebellion.

These were not courageous patriots fighting for a noble cause, they were fighting to protect their servants and lazy way of life.

 

[UsualName]

Hmm.

Well you've kind of left out important details like the Democrats in the south opposing the "radical Republicans" during Reconstruction and those same Democrats forming the KKK with mass murders of freed slaves and white abolitionists. The KKK is a Democrat institution to this day. Shameful.

Ok. So what are you trying to tell me, that the south was liberal in 1854 and the north conservative?

No wait you’re telling me that African Americans today support the KKK. Is this right?

Were you born in America?

 

[Snarkhund]

Ok. So what are you trying to tell me, that the south was liberal in 1854 and the north conservative?

No wait you’re telling me that African Americans today support the KKK. Is this right?

Were you born in America?

You guys are unable or unwilling to discuss well documented issues without twisting people's words or outright lying. I see that you are frustrated, arguing with someone 40 IQ points above you can be frustrating. But FFS surely you realize that lying and misrepresenting the posts of others just lines you up for hostility. Possibly that is what you want?

Fine. What happens is you take little pot shots from cover and then I turn the guns onto your position and pour fire on it and you look stupid as a result. Works for me.

 

[Cuddles]

Retarded con logic:. The Taliban is virtuous and and worthy of statues for showing no fear against an invading force

 

[El OchoCinco]

You are unwilling to stay on topic. The point was praise for those courageous southern freedom fighters who hated the federal government telling them to stop slavery and you are bringing your gran pappys military service and the KKK.

You must have ADHD.

 

[Snarkhund]

You are unwilling to stay on topic. The point was praise for those courageous southern freedom fighters who hated the federal government telling them to stop slavery and you are bringing your gran pappys military service and the KKK.

You must have ADHD.

You misrepresent people's posts, misrepresent a history you had no part of, then turn ad hominem and wet your pants when you get smoked El BolaDeGrasa. This is your future here on ET.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Did not misrepresent anything sparky. You supported AAA post that claimed the courageous southerners were heroes for fighting to uphold slavery. It is pretty obvious.

If this is what you call a victory then take your geritol and go to bed by 8pm as per your usual.