SHOCKING!! More unexpected Obamacare taxes

[377OHMS]

Quote from Lucrum:



Correct me if I'm wrong. The premise behind mandatory auto insurance is that my driving can cause damage to other motorists while unavoidably driving in close proximity to each other.

My getting sick doesn't necessarily have to affect anyone else. I can pay my own insurance premiums and then the insurance pays, I can pay for my own medical expenses directly without insurance. Or I can stay home and employ natural/home remedies or even just crawl into bed and die.

Now granted, if I elect not to have medical insurance. But go to the hospital and run up bills I can't or won't pay. THEN it certainly effects others financially as the costs get passed on to those who do pay. But it doesn't have to be that way. I say, if someone elects not to have insurance, they either pay their medical bills or don't go the the doctor. The problem is our pussified bleeding hearts refuse to allow people to be responsible for their own decisions. Such as the "right to Choose" as to insure oneself or not.

What is being said here about medical insurance is that medical bills are so high that individuals cannot possibly pay them out of their personal finances so the risk must be distributed across the population which, of course, means to those who are not utilizing medical services meaning that the left thinks young healthy people should pay for the medical care of old sick people. It is that simple.

All I'm saying is that I am going to pay for my own medical bills. If that means that I will die penniless I am reasonably sure I won't care because...well, I'll be dead.

I'll set my family up with life insurance so I wouldn't be leaving anyone behind broke. How long until the government mandates that young healthy people pay death benefits to those who, uhm..die?

 

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Quote from Lucrum:



Correct me if I'm wrong. The premise behind mandatory auto insurance is that my driving can cause damage to other motorists while unavoidably driving in close proximity to each other.

My getting sick doesn't necessarily have to affect anyone else. I can pay my own insurance premiums and then the insurance pays, I can pay for my own medical expenses directly without insurance. Or I can stay home and employ natural/home remedies or even just crawl into bed and die.

Now granted, if I elect not to have medical insurance. But go to the hospital and run up bills I can't or won't pay. THEN it certainly effects others financially as the costs get passed on to those who do pay. But it doesn't have to be that way. I say, if someone elects not to have insurance, they either pay their medical bills or don't go the the doctor. The problem is our pussified bleeding hearts refuse to allow people to be responsible for their own decisions. Such as the "right to Choose" as to insure oneself or not.

But Mr Lucrum that is not the system we have nor the system the majority of Americans want. The reality is if someone is injured or sick they are going to receive a minimum of care and its been that way longer than you've been alive. How to deal with this reality is the discussion, wishing what if or if only does not address the problem.

 

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Quote from Lucrum:



Correct me if I'm wrong. The premise behind mandatory auto insurance is that my driving can cause damage to other motorists while unavoidably driving in close proximity to each other.

My getting sick doesn't necessarily have to affect anyone else. I can pay my own insurance premiums and then the insurance pays, I can pay for my own medical expenses directly without insurance. Or I can stay home and employ natural/home remedies or even just crawl into bed and die.

Now granted, if I elect not to have medical insurance. But go to the hospital and run up bills I can't or won't pay. THEN it certainly effects others financially as the costs get passed on to those who do pay. But it doesn't have to be that way. I say, if someone elects not to have insurance, they either pay their medical bills or don't go the the doctor. The problem is our pussified bleeding hearts refuse to allow people to be responsible for their own decisions. Such as the "right to Choose" as to insure oneself or not.

And owning and driving a car is not a God given right. Life is.

 

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Quote from pspr:

And owning and driving a car is not a God given right. Life is.

Having a car to go and earn a living to support ones self and his family is the most fundamental right of our freedom. The freedom to earn a living is highest on the list of freedoms we have. Driving and owning cars is as American as apple pie, guns, playboy and Budweiser, you can have my truck when you pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel, as Mr Heston would say.

 

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Quote from pspr:

And owning and driving a car is not a God given right. Life is.

Wait, that's your argument AGAINST health care... really ? Gotta love the right, you guys keep keep me entertained.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigarrow:

Having a car to go and earn a living to support ones self and his family is the most fundamental right of our freedom.

In that case so is owning a gun, to protect ones self and his family

The freedom to earn a living is highest on the list of freedoms we have.

One of them yes, but you just said it was owning a car. Which is it?

Driving and owning cars is as American as apple pie, guns, playboy and Budweiser...

True enough I suppose.

 

[Mercor]

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

Its easy to rack up debt when you start with a trillion dollar deficit.Bush started with a balanced budget,there is no excuse for him doubling the national debt and turning a balanced budget into a trillion dollar deficit

I guess all the democrats who voted for the tax cuts, and the war budget every year should have voted to stop this spending.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from bigarrow:

Having a car to go and earn a living to support ones self and his family is the most fundamental right of our freedom. The freedom to earn a living is highest on the list of freedoms we have. Driving and owning cars is as American as apple pie, guns, playboy and Budweiser, you can have my truck when you pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel, as Mr Heston would say.

You earned that truck. Its not a right.

It would, however, be pretty hard to go out and make a living without a car in Texas. Lots of distance to cover out there.

People who didn't bother to get an education or get out and work hard can take the bus. That is what they are for.

I did a sabbatical a few years back at a hedge fund in Chicago. Parking was so difficult that I was reluctant to use my cars, even with a garage. I tried riding the El (subway) and got tired of seeing things no person should have to see. Its like you took all of the people inside a Walmart and put them on the train. Total freakshow.

Then I moved out to Elmhurst and rode the Metra (large train something like Amtrack) and that was a little better. I was astonished to see well-dressed men on their way home to their family get on the train, open their briefcase and pull out a big can of beer for the ride.

I was so relieved to get back to SoCal and drive my vehicle to work and back. I've never complained about commuting since.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigarrow:

But Mr Lucrum that is not the system we have nor the system the majority of Americans want.

Last I heard the majority oppose Obamacare. Many of the supporters aren't even helping to pay for it.

 

[denner]

Quote from 377OHMS:



Then I moved out to Elmhurst and rode the Metra (large train something like Amtrack) and that was a little better. I was astonished to see well-dressed men on their way home to their family get on the train, open their briefcase and pull out a big can of beer for the ride.

LOL, I know what you're talking about. Normal corporate looking guys sitting on that train drinking a big can of shit beer. It really is a spectacle.