Serious Serious Question!

Oh such intellect! The last time I was in London, Morganist, the cabby drove me down a street and said, "your friend lives there now!" I said, oh who's that? The cabby said, Tony Blair! America was his only friend! I said, yeah...do you know the difference between Tony Blair and Godon Brown? He said, what? Tony Blair had a friend.

Look, gastro, if you want answers you should go deep, and see if you can read Otto Spangler's, "Decline of the West" and understand the signs of the cycle of it all.
 
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So glad to learn that you are no longer in a coma. But, just to update you, the USA has been in freefall for some time now.
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I am not so much worried about knowing the US is in decline...I am just trying to avoid a "day of calamity" a day in which the sh!t REALLY hits the fan and the next day can NOT be considered congruous with the next. Think of 9/12/2001. That day was "relatively" similar to 9/11/2001...but, to some extent our lives were different...transportation would never be the same...thinking America was "safe" would never be the same...I am thinking about whether there will be a "day of calamity." America in decline...yes...day of calamity...or just slow migration into oblivion?
 
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Oh such intellect! The last time I was in London, Morganist, the cabby drove me down a street and said, "your friend lives there now!" I said, oh who's that? The cabby said, Tony Blair! America was his only friend! I said, yeah...do you know the difference between Tony Blair and Godon Brown? He said, what? Tony Blair had a friend.

Look, gastro, if you want answers you should go deep, and see if you can read Otto Spangler's, "Decline of the West" and understand the signs of the cycle of it all.
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Hello Ed,

Looks like an excellent book! I will have to pick up a copy. Hopefully it is not as boring as Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope" - an interesting book, but, at least to me, bit of a sedative. Thanks for the advice.

I will say that I have enjoyed your posts. Your posts have seemed logical and have been backed with fact. (I am thinking in particular about your posts on the US Treasury and the "bonds" that have been promised to the Social Security.)

Regards,
gastropod
 
The baby boomers have a large effect on our culture. They're retiring, dying off, we should expect a change. Needs shift, self serving economics of that generation. So we are in transition.

Globally, who is ahead of us? We might applaud emerging markets but they are just playing catch up, we've been there done that. It's not like they're cutting edge.

Looks like a decline is in store for us but not a fall.
 
The US is the weirdest damn place.. the food is this manufactured s%^t with long lists of chemicals in the ingredients. The promises the Public Sector has made can never be kept, and that after mortgaging the third generation to the point that a newborn owes $500,000. A South American criminal gang controls the southern border. The politicians whip up Blacks to blame Whites for all their problems... who cares if it collapses? What stretch of the imagination would propose that it should not collapse?
 
The US is the weirdest damn place..
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I agree. We try to be all things to all people. Yikes, what a mess.

The most amazing point about our country is we keep trying. No one gives up, on and on and on.

We try to skin a cat with money or power or influence and when all else fails, ignorance. It's a gd circus sometimes.

The speaker of the house is crying like a baby, the President invites rappers to the White house, people licking shoes on the subway. The place is a friggin sandbox.
 
Clearly your point about the decline of empires being a process that is difficult to date and time stamp is correct. Because of that I think it becomes easier to protect yourself (I assume that is what you seek -- to survive and even prosper) if you leave some old paradigms behind and try some new ones on for size. In the chaos it will be difficult to know if the current reality -- say a deflationary spiral -- will last for a long period or if clumsy government action will flip an inflation switch. Or, conversely, if an inflationary spiral will throw so many impediments in our way that stagflation in the extreme becomes the norm.

Given the unpredictable nature regarding the specifics of the collapse that we all sense is coming and adding that precise timing is always impossible, assets have much greater value when actively managed by someone acutely attuned to the reality of the moment and not wedded to the belief that Tuesday has much in common with Monday. What has great value today may be set quickly into decline tomorrow. Real estate may be fine and dandy in 2012 and 2013 yet a sinkhole after that. Metals may be the answer today yet, if rates ratchet up to 15% on Fed funds, today's answer may become the short of the century. An extreme flexibility of approach is key. What works in March may well be suicidal in November. It's not just the force of the storm that will create danger but the shifting of the wind without notice and the collapse of even the ground we stand on that will make it nearly impossible to navigate.

It is not about buying gold and sitting on it like a religion (although the services are quite lovely at the moment) or shunning real estate because it has tanked. It is about maintaining a fair level of liquidity at all times, watching counter-party risk like a hawk, moving with great speed when your gut tells you that makes sense and ignoring every single bit of establishment reassurance. Question everything. The propaganda machine will gear up to levels that would shock even Orwell. And in the chaos there will be an urge to believe in something. MAKE THAT SOMETHING ONLY THE PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN ASSESSMENTS.

I recommend reading LORDS of FINANCE. Not a page turner and a bit long winded but, given that it examines the insanity of central bankers in the late 20's and early 30's, a must read. Oh, and most important of all, starting tomorrow morning and the every morning ask yourself how many of this country's leaders (business, finance, government, unions, press) would you trust with anything or anyone you care about. Then ask yourself how many of them could do a good job running a small business with 20 employees and no subsidies or monopoly position. Figure out what you believe about the integrity and competence level among those that are about to be sorely tested. Face the truth about the madmen we have turned over the keys to the Kingdom to. And keep asking yourself those questions as it all hits the fan. Leave behind partisan thinking and recognize that they are all incredibly dangerous. They live in a bubble untouched by the reality that swirls around them. They reassure each other that their skills will "see us through". Recognize that dry rot slowly and quietly destroys what was once a solid foundation ... and that the destruction is nearly complete.

We are in for a storm the likes of which has not been seen for centuries and we have Moe, Larry and Curly at the helm. And even worse all of the stooges are corrupt to their core. The central problem is a simple one to describe yet an impossible one to cure. The Empire -- the USA -- is collapsing as we speak. It is increasingly being held together with spit and glue as are the hinterlands. No one knows when the key I-beams will give way; it is not a planned demolition it is a collapse. Yet unlike when Great Britain entered its slide and we stood ready to hold the reins of power there is no entity on earth that is ready to replace us. Think about that. As we fall there is no leader to replace us. No reserve currency, no lender of last resort, no one to police the flareups that occur ... no one in charge. Nature abhors a vacuum and if there is not strength, integrity and competence to fill it, that vacuum will be filled by pure power no mater how evil it may be. As Shakespeare wrote "let slip the dogs of war". Chaos knows no bounds. What starts as financial turmoil frequently ends as all encompassing. We are at the precipice.
 
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Historically, some people will place dates on things like the fall of the Roman Empire or the fall of Greece, but, in reality, these were processes. These were "event's" that took place over time.

The "forewarned" had better have gotten the fu(k out of the way!


When is the fall of America? We see things like a college education not being worth what was payed for it (future cash value). It makes one think! If education doesn't buy you value...if citizenship doesn't buy you value...can we accurately, astutely set a date for the fall of America?

-gastropod
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America won't "fall"... like over a cliff. We have already started degrading and will continue to do so until the next revolution..... hopefully not for another 50 years, but could be much sooner.
 
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Given the unpredictable nature regarding the specifics of the collapse that we all sense is coming and adding that precise timing is always impossible, assets have much greater value when actively managed by someone acutely attuned to the reality of the moment and not wedded to the belief that Tuesday has much in common with Monday. What has great value today may be set quickly into decline tomorrow. Real estate may be fine and dandy in 2012 and 2013 yet a sinkhole after that. Metals may be the answer today yet, if rates ratchet up to 15% on Fed funds, today's answer may become the short of the century. An extreme flexibility of approach is key. What works in March may well be suicidal in November. It's not just the force of the storm that will create danger but the shifting of the wind without notice and the collapse of even the ground we stand on that will make it nearly impossible to navigate.

It is not about buying gold and sitting on it like a religion (although the services are quite lovely at the moment) or shunning real estate because it has tanked. It is about maintaining a fair level of liquidity at all times, watching counter-party risk like a hawk, moving with great speed when your gut tells you that makes sense and ignoring every single bit of establishment reassurance. Question everything. The propaganda machine will gear up to levels that would shock even Orwell. And in the chaos there will be an urge to believe in something. MAKE THAT SOMETHING ONLY THE PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN ASSESSMENTS.
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I like it. Be nimble, be flexible, make your own assessments and act swiftly. Good advice.
 
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