Serious question..

[Tsing Tao]

It's easier for me, because I lean left. I have voted for a lot of Republicans at the state level though, because I've seen Democrats completely mismanage their states (like CT where I'm originally from). I did not feel raising corporate taxes was the way to go and I supported DeSantis over Gillum. I felt uneducated about who was running down ballot this year and only voted for the presidency/state amendments. I did not vote for my congresswoman (who will win easily since it's the city of Tampa), because she never responded to my question I emailed to her about her position on a FTT. I'm not a partisan and don't vote straight party tickets. I too feel the Democrats need to take a tougher stand against the violence/rioting/looting in our cities. I also feel Trump needs to take a tougher stand against right-wing extremists. I feel bad for local business owners that had their businesses hurt by them this summer in Tampa. That's the responsibility of local officials more than the president though.

For president, I would have had a harder time with voting for Bernie who's way to the left of me on economic issues. I would be much more afraid of his potential for executive overreach. I can make a conservative case for Biden though if you think future years out. While he's more liberal than me on most fiscal issues, I do think Biden is an institutionalist who respects the norms of the Senate even though many in the Democratic Party are trying to push him to the left. My view is that if Biden wins he's going to have a very slim majority for him in the Senate. It's going to be anything from +1 GOP to +3 Dems (IA,ME,NC, and GA will decide this). I think there's enough moderate Democrats who will protect the filibuster if that's the case. If Trump wins the Senate map is really bad for Republicans in 2022. Since we know historically that midterms typically bring backlash to the incumbent it would set up 2024 pretty well for the Democrats. If Trump wins in 2020 he will drag down whoever is running in 2024 as they will have to fully embrace him to get through the primaries. Whoever comes out of the Democratic primary might be much further to the left in 2024 as they'll argue that the establishment moderates couldn't get it done after defeating Bernie.

For SCOTUS, it's very likely that Trump will not get to appoint another justice if elected. Thomas is only 72 years old. He's showing no signs of retirement. Breyer is 82 and looks to be able to stay in office 4 more years. There will be pressure for him to retire if Biden wins, but that won't change the balance of SCOTUS.

Another thing I feel is that if Trump wins, it's very likely there will be no constraint on spending. He and Congressional Democrats are much more willing to spend than Senate Republicans (even though they're much more willing to spend under a Trump presidency than an Obama one). It will be like Bush 2007-2008 where the budget ballooned with a Democratic Congress and Republican president. No new taxes, just unconstrained spending increasing our debt to GDP ratio higher and putting the question of our fiscal stability in jeopardy. There will definitely be high levels of spending under Biden, but there will also be tax increases. You may not agree with the tax increases, but I think it's a lot worse to spend like drunken sailors without increasing taxes.

I think the risk of spending is greater under an all democrat government. But other than that, I can't argue with anything you've said.

 

[VEGASDESERT]

For president, I would have had a harder time with voting for Bernie who's way to the left of me on economic issues. I would be much more afraid of his potential for executive overreach. I can make a conservative case for Biden though if you think future years out. While he's more liberal than me on most fiscal issues, I do think Biden is an institutionalist who respects the norms of the Senate even though many in the Democratic Party are trying to push him to the left. My view is that if Biden wins he's going to have a very slim majority for him in the Senate. It's going to be anything from +1 GOP to +3 Dems (IA,ME,NC, and GA will decide this). I think there's enough moderate Democrats who will protect the filibuster if that's the case. If Trump wins the Senate map is really bad for Republicans in 2022. Since we know historically that midterms typically bring backlash to the incumbent it would set up 2024 pretty well for the Democrats. If Trump wins in 2020 he will drag down whoever is running in 2024 as they will have to fully embrace him to get through the primaries. Whoever comes out of the Democratic primary might be much further to the left in 2024 as they'll argue that the establishment moderates couldn't get it done after defeating Bernie.

This is the type of mental masturbation never trump republicans play.

If you're a true conservative you should be kissing trumps feet at what he's
managed to do to the supreme court. You should erect a trump statue on your
lawn today.

But instead they whine about how mean and gross he is.. fools.

 

[kmgilroy89]

I think the risk of spending is greater under an all democrat government. But other than that, I can't argue with anything you've said.

Well, I don't think Trump is a conservative. I think he'll do whatever helps him in the short-term. That means lower taxes/higher spending/more debt. I don't see him constraining spending anyway. His whole career was about accumulating as much debt as possible and going to bankruptcy court lol. This was a guy who said we can just print more money later on: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/tru...lower-the-national-debt-woodward-reports.html

We might disagree on this, but my gut tells me Biden is more concerned about the debt than Trump. I find both of their concerns pretty inadequate though to be honest so it's going to continue to be an issue going forward no matter who wins.

 

[Cuddles]

This is the type of mental masturbation never trump republicans play.

If you're a true conservative you should be kissing trumps feet at what he's
managed to do to the supreme court. You should erect a trump statue on your
lawn today.

But instead they whine about how mean and gross he is.. fools.

True conservatives don't kowtow to corporate cronyism, they let the free market decide, not corporate welfare and impunity through corruption.

 

[kmgilroy89]

This is the type of mental masturbation never trump republicans play.

If you're a true conservative you should be kissing trumps feet at what he's
managed to do to the supreme court. You should erect a trump statue on your
lawn today.

But instead they whine about how mean and gross he is.. fools.

I'm not a conservative. I'm pro-choice, for gun control, pro-LGBT, for progressive taxation, for a housing first homeless policy, developing a healthcare policy that insures 100% of Americans with their pre-existing conditions, drug possession decriminalization, against the death penalty, concerned about climate change, would like us to scale back our military expenditures, a decent minimum wage you can live on working 40 hours/week, public early education/K-12, etc.

However, I'm not for Antifa, anarchy/looting/rioting, tax rates over 60%, a complete government takeover of our healthcare system, free college, building rail lines in places where it'll still be faster to drive/fly, etc. The vision of Bernie Sanders/AOC scares the hell out of me. I don't think they respect the power of capitalism. It's easy to sit and type on your iPhone that the execs at Apple make too much money, it's a lot harder to make an iPhone. It's ridiculous to suggest that Amazon/Apple/etc are net negatives for society even if you think Bezos deserves to be taxed more (which I do).

 

[VEGASDESERT]

I'm not a conservative. I'm pro-choice, for gun control, pro-LGBT, for progressive taxation, for a housing first homeless policy, developing a healthcare policy that insures 100% of Americans with their pre-existing conditions, drug possession decriminalization, against the death penalty, concerned about climate change, would like us to scale back our military expenditures, a decent minimum wage you can live on working 40 hours/week, public early education/K-12, etc.

However, I'm not for Antifa, anarchy/looting/rioting, tax rates over 60%, a complete government takeover of our healthcare system, free college, building rail lines in places where it'll still be faster to drive/fly, etc. The vision of Bernie Sanders/AOC scares the hell out of me. I don't think they respect the power of capitalism. It's easy to sit and type on your iPhone that the execs at Apple make too much money, it's a lot harder to make an iPhone. It's ridiculous to suggest that Amazon/Apple/etc are net negatives for society even if you think Bezos deserves to be taxed more (which I do).

My responce wasnt directed at you btw, just anti Trump conservatives

 

[userque]

However, I'm not for Antifa

My understanding is that Antifa is against fascism.

Are you not against fascism?
Are you concluding that Antifa automatically means criminal activity?
Or can there simply be bad apples in Antifa;
Like Trump say that there are bad apple cops, in an otherwise good police force?
Or does that logic not go both ways?

 

[smallfil]

All politicians are liars. If you have a politician who goes back 47 years, it would be impossible not to find statements they made no longer true today. All people are liars. You lie, I lie whenever it suits us. But some are worse and do it more arrogantly than others.

Except, Democrats are the biggest liars around. Joe Biden has been in office 47 years. So how many lies has he concocted? President Donald Trump has been in office 4 years. Also, being arrogant and egotistical does not make one a liar. He exagerates a lot and you can say that is a lie but, more of a half-truth. I am sure those in Congress has done the same. So, between the two, Joe Biden is the bigger liar for the simple fact, he is in Congress all of 47 years.

 

[Wallet]

My understanding is that Antifa is against fascism.

Are you not against fascism?
Are you concluding that Antifa automatically means criminal activity?
Or can there simply be bad apples in Antifa;
Like Trump say that there are bad apple cops, in an otherwise good police force?
Or does that logic not go both ways?

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Love the “far right” emphasis. Lol, I laugh when I hear Liberals use this term as they are the poster-children of European fascism.

Fascism is closer to socialism than capitalism, in it the state, government has authoritarian control. Trump, conservatives are capitalists, small government and are the exact opposite.

 

[kmgilroy89]

My understanding is that Antifa is against fascism.

Are you not against fascism?
Are you concluding that Antifa automatically means criminal activity?
Or can there simply be bad apples in Antifa;
Like Trump say that there are bad apple cops, in an otherwise good police force?
Or does that logic not go both ways?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
This is the description I'm familiar with and it's not one I think of positively. From what I see, too many people associating with Antifa are causing problems. I don't believe in their antagonistic/confrontational style. I don't really don't think they're helping with anything. Most Americans would probably say they're anti-fascism, but they wouldn't associate themselves with Antifa.