Serious question for evangelicals.

[chuck.ells]

Quote from filter_sweep:

I think this is a testament to how well church and state are separated for mormons, and why I think it is rediculous when people suggest Romney would take guidance from Salt Lake City if he were to become president.

Don't all “good” mormons take their marching orders from salt-lake?
It seems to me that the whole rift between “fundamental” mormons and salt-lake mormons started when some leader or other received a message from god to stop the practice of plural marriage.

Salt-lake trumped the holy ghost.

 

[Turok]

CE:
>It seems to me that the whole rift between
>“fundamental” mormons and salt-lake mormons
>started when some leader or other received a
>message from god to stop the practice of plural
>marriage.

It was a message from Washington, not "God".

JB

 

[chuck.ells]

Quote from Turok:

CE:
>It seems to me that the whole rift between
>“fundamental” mormons and salt-lake mormons
>started when some leader or other received a
>message from god to stop the practice of plural
>marriage.

It was a message from Washington, not "God".

JB

Turok,

Cache had already dealt with that one.

Quote from Cache Landing:

The official statement is that the prophet saw the secular annihilation of the church if polygamy were to continue. The only thing mormons can thank the U.S. government for is driving them from state to state, torturing them, siezing their property, and finally only backing off when they settled in a desert that nobody else really wanted.

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1706571#post1706571


I was just trying to point out some reasons why non-mormons might be concerned about where the seat of power might reside with a mormon president .

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from filter_sweep:



It's interesting, you'd think that with a mormon candidate actually having a decent chance of landing the republican nomination you'd hear more people talking about it at church, but outside of conversations with my wife I haven't heard anyone at church talk about Romney nor have I even spoken to another mormon about Romney or the presidential race itself. I think this is a testament to how well church and state are separated for mormons, and why I think it is rediculous when people suggest Romney would take guidance from Salt Lake City if he were to become president.

That's been my experience too. Not even a single mention of Romney. I've been surprised so far.

I understand where the concern comes from regarding Romney taking orders from church headquarters. If I weren't attending the meeting to see the separation you speak of, I would also assume the opposite to be true. The primaries so far have hinted at the idea that most people really don't have that in the front of their minds though.

I've studied the exit/entrance polls against the vote pretty carefully. So far there hasn't been anything which directly suggests that people are voting against a Mormon. Of course with Huckabee in the race it is hard to determine statistically. If Huckabee weren't in the race and Romney still lost Iowa, that would suggest an anti-Mormon vote to a certain degree. But so far Romney's votes are pretty evenly spread across evangelicals, catholics, and non-religious.

 

[Turok]

CE:

>Turok,
>Cache had already dealt with that one.

Well, not really...

>Cache Landing:
>The official statement is that the prophet saw
>the secular annihilation of the church if polygamy
>were to continue.

He's right of course, the "official statement" is exactly what he says it is. Problem it, the "official statement" doesn't reflect that actual reality that *while polygamy was still official church doctrine*, it was realized that the feds would never grant statehood to Utah and only *after that* was it changed.

JB

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from Cache Landing:

I have a serious question for evangelicals. I keep hearing stories of evangelical preachers helping to motivate congregations to vote for Huckabee.

I personally don't make my way into these congregations very often, so I don't know what to think about these reports. Given the format and topics of my church meetings, my natural inclination is not to believe these reports.

I am Mormon, and every time an election comes around, a note is sent out to every congregation in the U.S. This letter reaffirms the fact that the LDS Church doesn't support any particular party or candidate and that the local leaders are not to make any endorsements on behalf of the church. Nor is the church name or resources to be used for any political purposes. This is so much the case that Romney has had a very hard time organizing Mormon supporters to campaign for him.

So I'm wondering if the same is true of evangelical faiths, or do preachers really advise congregations to support Huckabee?

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Cash Landing;
Interesting nickname, Cache is a river in Arkansas also

Well Mr Mike Huckabee was in the Texas size church in San Antonio, TX Pastor John Hagee /Global Evangelism TV.

Maybe some Mormons don't support Romney for the same reason many Baptists would not support Bill Clinton, a Baptist flip flopper in name anyway.

Mr Mike probably has an edge with the 15 million Baptists.....;
never heard a preacher tell us who to vote for, but many will mention who they vote for, its a freedom to exercised.

 

[Cache Landing]

Quote from murray t turtle:

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Cash Landing;
Interesting nickname, Cache is a river in Arkansas also

Well Mr Mike Huckabee was in the Texas size church in San Antonio, TX Pastor John Hagee /Global Evangelism TV.

Maybe some Mormons don't support Romney for the same reason many Baptists would not support Bill Clinton, a Baptist flip flopper in name anyway.

Mr Mike probably has an edge with the 15 million Baptists.....;
never heard a preacher tell us who to vote for, but many will mention who they vote for, its a freedom to exercised.

I'm sure there are many Mormons who don't support him, but the vast majority support him in the polls. Every time his campaign managers try to organize groups to do some campaigning they are incredibly limited by the church.

The church doesn't allow him to come speak at gatherings or use lists for contacting. As I understand it, one of his few meetings he had with leaders was to simply figure out what the church would actually allow. His campaign management isn't completely made up of Mormons and I'm sure they thought they would have a couple hundred thousand people jumping at the chance to help.

The church wants no involvement of any kind in elections. They simply encourage the members to be politically active and to stay knowledgeable on world events.