Serious question about the Ukrainian war
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This one will garner some incoming I'm sure, but I think the best hope for a deal lies with Trump getting elected. And yeah I realize he always talks a big game... where's that wall, and where's the check from Mexico... but on this one, I think he may have a slight chance.
Will Ukraine get the short end of the stick? Probably. And they might not even consider anything but a complete return of all their territories. So who knows. Has Zelenski come out and formally backed either of the two? Trump or Biden? Without looking, I already know the answer. He's gonna ride the fence. Smart move on one hand, but for someone that the world views as having giant coyones, he should make a pick. As crazy as it sounds, his endorsement would be worth gold. In fact, I think it would be the most coveted endorsement of all this time around. Or damn close.
I could be wrong, but I think if Biden wins...it will be 4 more years of exactly what we're seeing today. Raytheon, GD, LMT, and even Boeing... will love that.
"...what is it good for? "
-->Absolutely nothing.
Ukraine cannot last another four years of war in the current way it's being fought. The entire country will be a wasteland. It's either escalate or negotiate, and I agree that Trump is the more likely person to negotiate a peace. Not because Trump is such a great deal broker, but because Biden his crew are so far down the Putin must be eliminated rabbit hole they can't change their position without looking weak. Bottom line. Trump gets elected there will be peace forthcoming. Biden brings us a escalation in Ukraine, along with a continuing decline on any number of domestic issues, with unchecked crime being number one.
When Trump was elected there was that famous phone call with Zelenski where Trump asked him for help bringing forth evidence of Biden corruption in Ukraine. The phone call was leaked and Trump was impeached for it, despite Biden being the one that had demanded some kind of quid pro quo for the release of some 1 billion or so in aid.
Forgotten is that Zelenski never did help Trump at all through that situation. Never did probe the Biden corruption racket in Ukraine. Or never did offer any evidence of Biden corruption quid pro quo throughout Trump's impeachment trial.
So i don't think Trump feels like he owes Zelenski anything, and wouldn't see any problem in giving Putin his territorial gains in exchange for peace.
And, Trump will probably require Zelenski to pay back some 10 Billion in weapons/war aid, which he will probably use to finish building the border wall.
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Ukraine has lost this war a long time ago. There is a lot of bogus information about Ukraine being able to win this war. Take the number of Ukrainian casualties. Zelensky said they only lost 30,000 men. When Russia entered Ukraine in February 24, 2022, it was in all the extreme liberal media that Ukraine had over 1,000,000 men in its army. That is not even counting the tens of thousands of foreign volunteer fighters. When Russia entered Ukraine in February 24, 2022, there were only 200,000 Russians then. Now, Ukraine says it needs 500,000 more men and that they did not have enough men to fight the Russians? How can that be? They only lost 30,000 men per Zelensky. Multiple sources put the Ukraine losses closer to 500,000 now. Now, that would explain why they need 500,000 more men? Russia called up reserves and conscripted more soldiers. Figures put the Russians at around 800,000 troops in and around Ukraine. It is worst now for Ukraine because Russia is producing its deadly drones in huge numbers on top of large glide bombs in the 1,500 lb to 3,000 lb range now. Those glide bombs cannot be stopped by those air defense missiles and dropped like 50 miles away by Russian bombers. The fins of the bombs plus guidance ensures they hit the targets. That is what is killing Ukrainians now in the hundreds or even thousands depending on where their troops are located. There is no way the Ukrainians are going to win this war of attrition. Russians even attacked a train loaded with NATO weapons and ammo a couple of days ago. All of those weapons lost including, Ukrainian troops guarding the shipment killed. If the Russians just keep attacking the weapons shipments non-stop, NATO will not be able to continue supplying weapons to Ukraine. And forget NATO troops entering Ukraine to stop Russia. They will all come back in body bags.
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Latest news on the Ukraine recruitment drive is they are now forcing Ukrainian men abroad to go back to Ukraine to renew their passports. They are not doing it in foreign countries now. Ukrainian men abroad now see, they will be forcibly, conscripted once, they set foot back in Ukraine. Poland also, being urged by Zelensky to send back to Ukraine, Ukrainian men who are 25-27 years of age. That is so, Ukraine can forcibly, conscript them into the Ukraine army. Recruitment numbers are down and a lot of Ukrainians are trying to leave Ukraine if they can. They know, they will be sent to the frontlines to die needlessly, by Zelensky.
They should head to Mexico and then head north. No passports required.
Hey if you're keeping up with this, I found a cut and dry website that updates daily with just facts.
https://www.understandingwar.org/
They cover Israel too. It seems pretty reliable.
They should head to Mexico and then head north. No passports required.
Hey if you're keeping up with this, I found a cut and dry website that updates daily with just facts.
https://www.understandingwar.org/
They cover Israel too. It seems pretty reliable.
I would not be surprised with Ukrainians fleeing to the US borders to enter the US. Their problem is Joe Biden might have them arrested and deported directly, to Ukraine. Zelensky needs troops that bad. The Ukrainian frontlines is collapsing in multiple areas. They do not have enough troops to even hold their positions. That is why they are falling back and withdrawing. Some Ukrainian prisoners of war has even gone to the Russian side and now fighting for Russia. Their reason, is the Ukrainian banderista nationalists attacked their barracks where they are held by the Russians and killed their fellow Ukrainians.
No. Taking Ukraine would increase Russian gdp 60% and population 40%. It would also bring Russian weapons, spies and counterintelligence closer to Western Europe. Not to mention the increased influence over African nations due to the heavy export of grain there from Ukraine.
No. Ukraine is too big of a “prize” to let Russia take. If you bring a snake into your home don’t be surprised when it bites you.