Senator to renew gun control push after California shooting spree

[wjk]

Has anyone considered that maybe it's time to start putting mentally troubled people back in institutions? Seriously. Half or more of the prison population in some states are individuals with serious mental issues. Perhaps the shrinks who put young kids on psychotropic meds should re-evaluate their criteria as well. I'll be curious to see if this kid was on them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-murder-house-mates-in-killing-chamber.html

..."Simon Astaire, a family friend, said their son had been seeing therapists since the age of eight, including virtually “every day” while at high school.

He said: “What more could they have done? They are going through indescribable grief dealing with the loss of their son. His parents were conscious and concerned about their son’s health. They thought he was in good hands.”

Mr Astaire said Rodger, who was believed to have Asperger’s but had not been diagnosed, was “reserved to a daunting degree” and “fundamentally withdrawn”, but seemed to have “no affinity to guns whatsoever”.

Other friends of Peter Rodger said he was “heartbroken” and “did everything he could”, including engaging top specialists, but his son turned his back on therapy as an adult and refused to take medication..."

http://www.infowars.com/elliot-roger-santa-barbara-killer-parallels-and-numbers/

"In his now-published Manifesto, Elliot Rodger goes on at great length about women rejecting him. He also mentions meeting with his psychiatrist, Charles Sophy (manifesto page 112), who gave him a prescription for Risperidone, an anti-psychotic drug. Rodger claims he researched the drug online and didn’t take it...."

Once again the point becomes: We can have such individuals in society provided they are medicated, but we cannot be sure they take their medications, nor can we be sure that the medications are not the cause...there is ample evidence that some may be...especially when administered at young ages.

I don't believe it would be too difficult to find correlation between the time when young kids started shooting up schools and theaters and the time kids became the recipients of mind altering medications administered by shrinks. Of course you can throw violent video games in the mix as part of that correlation study.

 

[CaptainObvious]

I've been watching the news this morning about this issue. The theme is the same across the board. They're all very concerned about how this could have been prevented. Really concerned about stereotyping, profiling. We just can't detain and evaluate people just cause they have a history of mental illness. Apparently we can't detain and evaluate people even if they threaten to kill everyone in sight...unless.
Let's do a little case study. The left is really concerned about profiling. People have rights, don't ya' know. Well, let us take a couple of scenarios.
Case 1 - Same kid, same mental illness history, same everything except he makes a video about how he hates Islam. Gonna' go out and blast a few Muslims. Does he get a "wellness" check from the police, or do they come in kicking the door down, guns drawn with the cuffs out. Is the left concerned about his rights then?
Case 2- Same kid, same mental illness history, same everything except, he makes a video about how he hates abortion clinics. Gonna' go out a blast a few of those. Does he get a "wellness" check? Lefties concerned about his rights?
Case 3- Same kid, same mental illness history, same everything except, he makes a video and he hates the leftist media. Gonna' show up at MSNBC and make'em pay. Does he get a "wellness" check?
Any of the 3 cases above this kid is chained to the floor somewhere and his entire life, his entire family, everything about him and any associates he's ever met are under investigation.
The PC police are out and about profiling, stereotyping and investigating alright, ready to prevent any crime against the agenda, real or conceived, individual rights be damned. Let an actual lunatic threaten to go on a random killing spree, then they're "concerned" about his rights. F'N morons!

 

[JamesL]

I've been watching the news this morning about this issue. The theme is the same across the board. They're all very concerned about how this could have been prevented. Really concerned about stereotyping, profiling.

And I bet none of the news orgs brought recent incidents in Fla into the argument:

Three Killed, Five Wounded in Myrtle Beach During Black Bike Week

Myrtle Beach police responded to six separate shootings Saturday that left three people dead and five people wounded over Memorial Day Weekend CNN reports, citing police Capt. David Knipes.

The fatal shootings occurred at the Bermuda Sands motel, where three people were killed and one person was wounded. According to Captain Knipes, no one has been arrested.

According to one witness interviewed by WPDE, one of the victims tried to escape the mayhem, running away after being shot.

“It was like to the point where he had a lot of blood everywhere and he was just trying to breathe” and he died, Jamont Samuel told the station.

The shootings occurred during Black Bike Week, an annual celebration which attracts hundreds of thousands of bikers and non-bikers alike. Black Bike Week, also referred to as the Atlantic Beach BikeFest, is the largest African- American motorcycle rally in the U.S.

http://www.modvive.com/2014/05/26/three-killed-five-wounded-myrtle-beach-black-bike-week/

 

[blah12345678]

If we have a system that can't stop a guy like this, then we can't stop anyone. All the signs and signals were there to see. Clearly mentally ill. Makes a video threatening to go on a killing spree. Parents notify police. Police go to see him. What else does it take?
I listened to the sheriff being interviewed and he said there's a "fine line" when making a determination as to whether or not someone should be apprehended under these conditions. Really? Seems like the line was pretty clear to me. Does the person have to be covered in his own feces while howling at the moon? This kid needed to be taken into custody and put under observation for at least 30 days, maybe more. The video was enough to justify that. All it took was a little common sense, but common sense is in short order these days. The leftist PC police have seen to that. God forbid we offend someone. Profile someone. Stigmatize someone. The tyranny of the few has caused another mass killing.
The left will say we need to disarm everyone. The right will say we need to arm everyone. Both are wrong. All we need is a little common sense, and be more concerned with the rights of the potential victim rather than the rights of the obvious criminal.

Did the video(s) present a specific threat to himself and/or others? If so, then he would've been arrested/put under observation. If not, then he couldn't be arrested w/o violating his civil liberties.

Remember where we are - there are 1000s of rants in P&R suggesting some/most of us are going off the rails. Judged by the above criteria, if the media caught wind of our little Lord of the Flies jungle, they'd howl that we're deserving of being rounded up and placed under observation, also.

The obvious thing I noticed is that the parents didn't do all they could've done. Instead of blaming LEO or the politicians, why didn't they go to court and have the court declare the kid a danger to himself and society, and then institutionalized? Again, given what they knew, they didn't do all they could've done to prevent the incident

You can't legislate human behavior, as much as the politicians try. Way too varied, such that there are no discernible patterns. Human behavior is not cut-and-dry.

And you can't preemptively legislate in the attempt to predict and prevent incidents like this... Not enough data and not enough quantum compute power to data mine out the non-obvious threats.

And realistically, once a month rampages in a population of 330 million isn't out of the ordinary... It's just noise, noise that you notice due to media overexposure... Contrast that with the number of mass charitable acts carried out each month, and you'll find that as a society, we're doing ok.

 

[Tsing Tao]

And I bet none of the news orgs brought recent incidents in Fla into the argument:

Three Killed, Five Wounded in Myrtle Beach During Black Bike Week

Myrtle Beach police responded to six separate shootings Saturday that left three people dead and five people wounded over Memorial Day Weekend CNN reports, citing police Capt. David Knipes.

The fatal shootings occurred at the Bermuda Sands motel, where three people were killed and one person was wounded. According to Captain Knipes, no one has been arrested.

According to one witness interviewed by WPDE, one of the victims tried to escape the mayhem, running away after being shot.

“It was like to the point where he had a lot of blood everywhere and he was just trying to breathe” and he died, Jamont Samuel told the station.

The shootings occurred during Black Bike Week, an annual celebration which attracts hundreds of thousands of bikers and non-bikers alike. Black Bike Week, also referred to as the Atlantic Beach BikeFest, is the largest African- American motorcycle rally in the U.S.

http://www.modvive.com/2014/05/26/three-killed-five-wounded-myrtle-beach-black-bike-week/

While I agree with your position that the media mostly ignored Myrtle Beach, I thought it was in SC, not FL. Or was there something that occurred in FL too over the weekend?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Remember where we are - there are 1000s of rants in P&R suggesting some/most of us are going off the rails. Judged by the above criteria, if the media caught wind of our little Lord of the Flies jungle, they'd howl that we're deserving of being rounded up and placed under observation, also.

Stop. Nothing here that is said (that I've seen) is illegal or anything outside of an expression of the freedom of speech without intent to harm. It's no different than what goes on at the Breitbart forums every single day.

And realistically, once a month rampages in a population of 330 million isn't out of the ordinary... It's just noise, noise that you notice due to media overexposure... Contrast that with the number of mass charitable acts carried out each month, and you'll find that as a society, we're doing ok.

For the most part, I agree.

 

[blah12345678]

Stop. Nothing here that is said (that I've seen) is illegal or anything outside of an expression of the freedom of speech without intent to harm. It's no different than what goes on at the Breitbart forums every single day.

It doesn't have to be illegal to frighten and get people and the media all riled up and make calls for institutionalization. Words are powerful. More powerful than guns. All it takes is misunderstanding by the right person (and a convincing misrepresentation in front of a judge) to ruin an innocent person's life. And conversely, catapult an unworthy person to rarified heights (like most politicians and CEOs).

 

[JamesL]

While I agree with your position that the media mostly ignored Myrtle Beach, I thought it was in SC, not FL. Or was there something that occurred in FL too over the weekend?

SC, my bad. Eyes saw M**** Beach and mind went straight to Fla.

Inference is still valid. This has become a yearly thing now.

 

[Tsing Tao]

It doesn't have to be illegal to frighten and get people and the media all riled up and make calls for institutionalization. Words are powerful. More powerful than guns. All it takes is misunderstanding by the right person (and a convincing misrepresentation in front of a judge) to ruin an innocent person's life. And conversely, catapult an unworthy person to rarified heights (like most politicians and CEOs).

This forum is one of hundreds, perhaps thousands on the internet with the same exact content.

 

[Tsing Tao]

SC, my bad. Eyes saw M**** Beach and mind went straight to Fla.

Inference is still valid. This has become a yearly thing now.

No worries, just was curious if something happened in FL as well this weekend. If racial rioting type crap happens in FL, it's usually Jacksonville, Orlando or maybe - just maybe - Tampa.

I'll tell ya though, I'd pay good money to merge Daytona Bike Week, Sturgis and the Black Bike Week at the same time in the same city and see who comes out of it clean.