Sen. Ted Cruz Wowing Them In Iowa

[Lucrum]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Republicans need to get out of social issues pretty much altogether.

So does the federal government.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from wjk:

That would make them libertarian, and the establishment hates them even more than they hate the left (probably sees them as a bigger threat to their status quo). I agree with your assessment, however.

The biggest issue the republicans have with libertarians is the cutting of defense. If republicans just shied away from passing judgment on social issues, yet still clung to defense, they would be that much better off.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Lucrum:

So does the federal government.

Precisely my point. People are sick of the government telling them what to do.

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Republicans need to get out of social issues pretty much altogether.

Quote from Lucrum:

So does the federal government.

+1

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

The biggest issue the republicans have with libertarians is the cutting of defense. If republicans just shied away from passing judgment on social issues, yet still clung to defense, they would be that much better off.

Thats the good thing about Rand, he knows that Ron Paul's pure libertarian view was only a loser because of his views on defense spending, Rand is always careful to appear more pragmatic about it though we know damn well he wouldnt be stupid enough to walk us into another war for no reason, and if he could just get himself inside the door he will probably be able to use the power of the pulpit to cut military in areas that are really undefendable by the neo cons, like having military bases in germany for example.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Libertarians are for open borders. They seem to support the Obama/Rubio amnesty bill.

That alone disqualifies them from serious consideration.

I admire both Pauls, but I think Rand Paul faces a difficult test in convincing voters he is mainstream enough to be trusted with the office. Obviously, I would trust him far more than I would Obama, but the media impose a much different standard on those from the right.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Libertarians are for open borders. They seem to support the Obama/Rubio amnesty bill.

That alone disqualifies them from serious consideration.

I admire both Pauls, but I think Rand Paul faces a difficult test in convincing voters he is mainstream enough to be trusted with the office. Obviously, I would trust him far more than I would Obama, but the media impose a much different standard on those from the right.

We are? Please post where you get that info from - the stuff about open borders. It could be right but I certainly don't remember seeing it.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Here:

http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

For those workers already in the United States illegally, we can avoid "amnesty" and still offer a pathway out of the underground economy. Newly legalized workers can be assessed fines and back taxes and serve probation befitting the misdemeanor they've committed. They can be required to take their place at the back of the line should they eventually apply for permanent residency.

Just a snippet.

 

[wjk]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

We are? Please post where you get that info from - the stuff about open borders. It could be right but I certainly don't remember seeing it.

I tend to be libertarian on many issues, but I'm for LEGAL immigration only.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from wjk:

I tend to be libertarian on many issues, but I'm for LEGAL immigration only.

Ditto