Selling Calls To Take Advantage of SPY Drop to 82 By 18-Sep

Chances SPY Will Drop To 82 By Mid September

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added 2x short 93 June Calls into the EOD rally.

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sold 2x June 93 Puts with spy around 94.00 (lucky fill). later when spy bounced to around 94.75 (just below previous day close) sold 2x 93 Calls.

basically, i am building strangles as the market bounces. ideally, i would like to maintain excess of short calls because those short puts may start costing me if the market sells off hard.

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sold 2x June 93 Puts with spy around 94.00 (lucky fill). later when spy bounced to around 94.75 (just below previous day close) sold 2x 93 Calls.

basically, i am building strangles as the market bounces. ideally, i would like to maintain excess of short calls because those short puts may start costing me if the market sells off hard.

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This will work very well...

..Until the day it doesn't. And you may look back and say you wasted a ton of time.
 
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Shortie, add a column for marked-PnL.

I added Unrealized PL column. It seems accurate right now. But one can't trust TWS caculations 100%.

the snapshot is when SPY 94.35

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p.s. the file i posted earlier today is mislabeled as june-11, but it is actually from june 12
 

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EOD positions to illustrate PL changes: PL fluctuates because of my short bias, but so far I have "locked in" good profit.

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Why not hedge your deltas in ES? Go short 1:1 on the strangle and sell one ESM9.
 
shortie, what % of the account is represented by the position you posted and are you monitoring the market 9:30 to 4?

if you look at the sp500 chart, we are winded very tight was a high probability of a breakout and opx next week, your short strangle/straddle are pretty dangerous right now.

How are you applying stop loss?
 
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Why not hedge your deltas in ES? Go short 1:1 on the strangle and sell one ESM9.

atticus,
i don't trade futures. i guess i could just hedge with SPY. in this case the main advantage of futures is that they just need less cash because of leverage, correct?

so, are you saying that i should finish building strangles so that i have -12x calls and -12x puts and then short 1200 shrs SPY? this will remove the downside risk. i just want to make sure i understood what you are suggesting.


Midday Update: added -4x 92 puts in increments as the market was going down.
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atticus,
i don't trade futures. i guess i could just hedge with SPY. in this case the main advantage of futures is that they just need less cash because of leverage, correct?

so, are you saying that i should finish building strangles so that i have -12x calls and -12x puts and then short 1200 shrs SPY? this will remove the downside risk. i just want to make sure i understood what you are suggesting.


Midday Update: added -4x 92 puts in increments as the market was going down.
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Sort of, but I would not suggest selling a full 1200 SPY, as that would convert the position to 12 otm short calls and 12 itm synthetic short calls. I was thinking more along the lines of 12x12 on the strangle and 300-400 short SPY.

Nice going.
 
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