Self Clearing and Pricing

Originally posted by dotslashfuture
its all just economies of scale to me. All of the really big firms self clear because it is much cheaper for them. If a firm doesn't self clear it is just because they aren't large enough.

let 'em pass those savings along to the traders that keep 'em in business.
 
Originally posted by Don Bright
....and when we open our retail operation, then perhaps self clearing will be the right choice.

Hi Don,

Is Bright now planning on accepting retail customers?
 
Originally posted by echo


Hi Don,

Is Bright now planning on accepting retail customers?

We may have a "non-Broker Dealer" LLC coming on line...stay tuned.

Don
 
Originally posted by TickerWatcher
Earlier in the thread it was stated clearing costs @ 1/3 1/4 etc. Some may pay this because they are starting out because they just don't know better. In addition these are costs a middle man will charge not the actual clearing firm. Any experienced principal should know they can get clearing much less.

I also feel that there is good value for .0055 per share! PD...I tried their stuff and I wouldn't trade on it for .0001 a share....the software just doesn't work!

Redi..I liked redi it was rock solid, but Introducing brokers that clear with SLK can't compete on price. Most firms clearing SLK get sucked in to a ticket fee and sometimes a ticket fee for the redi software.

Instinet...clears trades cheap! they charged an arm and a leg for taking liquidity, but clearing is cheap! The firm I trade at charges .0055 per share myself and 9 other traders. We have a good platform, bullets, other in house proprietary software, NYS Open book, 1st alert.

Andover .0035!

Hell... tradecast will even give ya .006

People can get a good rate they just have to work a deal! Commissions ARE negotiable..you can't deny it..it's a traders market!

Introducing BD owners you will dislike me for stating the following fact because it will cut them the middle man out!

TO GET THE BEST RATE YOU HAVE TO BYPASS THE INTRODUCING BROKERS AND TRADE WITH DIRECTLY WITH CLEARING FIRMS THAT SUPPORT THEIR OWN SOFTWARE! They are even in competition with their own BD customers!

Institutions can even hook up with capital market divisions and trade for free!

Clearing cost will be decreasing. It's a competitive market and it's getting more competitive.

Ticker,

I would appreciate it if you'd elaborate on the "Institutions can even hook up with capital market divisions and trade for free!" remark.

Tia,

Bachelier
 
Originally posted by Don Bright
Once again I am forced to call you on this stupid idea about SLK, Redi and the rest...The note about Redi and Arca is not "apples and oranges" and just refers to the system backbone and server farms.

Most of the software is similar in any regards, no matter how much some firms try to make theirs sound better..remember the Hold Bros. and their "grey box"?? " It is a poor mechanic who places blame on his tools." We all have excellent software, and good traders will do well no matter what.
Don

Don,

No offense but this is pure rubbish. I defy you to provide evidence of how the ARCA ECN will improve REDI+ software. Their architectures are not related in any meaningful way.

Your uninformed and anti-technology stance has done nothing but disuade any intelligent trader seeking the best technology from ever trading with Bright Trading.

When you lose enough experienced traders you will eventually realize that great software makes good traders better. PERIOD.
 
Capital Market divisions of broker dealers will only deal with Instutions and other BDs. They don't and will not talk to public investors.

If you send an order to etrade, etrade routes the order to
Capital Market divisions of other BDs. E doesn't pay to have the order executed, they get paid (payment for order flow).

My first position at a hedge fund......we traded 50K blocks no more no less. We never paid a dime for commissions, but charged the clients for expenses.
 
Originally posted by TickerWatcher
Capital Market divisions of broker dealers will only deal with Instutions and other BDs. They don't and will not talk to public investors.

If you send an order to etrade, etrade routes the order to
Capital Market divisions of other BDs. E doesn't pay to have the order executed, they get paid (payment for order flow).

My first position at a hedge fund......we traded 50K blocks no more no less. We never paid a dime for commissions, but charged the clients for expenses.

I should go trade for a hedge fund.
 
So you traded in 50k blocks, but what if you wanted to trade less?
Do you have any idea at what volume they would draw the line? Thanks.
 
Originally posted by GHansen


Don,

No offense but this is pure rubbish. I defy you to provide evidence of how the ARCA ECN will improve REDI+ software. Their architectures are not related in any meaningful way.

Your uninformed and anti-technology stance has done nothing but disuade any intelligent trader seeking the best technology from ever trading with Bright Trading.

When you lose enough experienced traders you will eventually realize that great software makes good traders better. PERIOD.

we can keep this going, or simply "agree to disagree" ...I will match my best traders, armed with an antiquated DOS based DOT machine against anyone with all the bells and whistles. All we can do is: "buy, sell, or cancel" - sure it's fun to scale orders, direct orders, automate and all the rest... but we must ask ourselves..."is all this "stuff" really gonna make me money"? And we all the answer is "no."...it is the trader, not the stuff. We are all "driving" Indy cars, some are different, but the drivers make the difference.

I respect your opinion, and we can shake hands and smile....let's just keep focused on making money.

:) Don
 
I REALLY hate responding negatively to every single thing you write and I don't want to come across as offensive. If you simply backed up your claims with facts, answered specific allegations (such as how ARCA will improve REDI+), and stopped using "congeniality" to redirect attention from the tough questions, I would have much more respect for your viewpoint.

It is important that traders get the facts. The facts are that ARCA has done nothing to improve REDI+, and I can't see how it will. As for software, if you want to argue that software which improves a traders efficiency and decision making is of little value, then that is your choice. But that is not a logical position, and not something I would claim in public if I were you.
 
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