Seems like Al Qaeda has won the war..

[Gringinho]

Quote from PocketChange:

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We really need to look in a mirror at our governments own acts and actions and see what we have become... He who wins the war writes the history...

That saying predates the Internet... it is NOT so in the age of information freedom and freedom of thought by encryption.

Hehehe, no way in hell anyone can resort to negationism as effectively as before - that is why new methods are devised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects-Based_Operations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_operations_other_than_war

 

[PocketChange]

Quote from forextrades:

Al Qaeda doesn't even exist. How can they win a war?

Bingo!... Maybe W's alter ego?

 

[PocketChange]

Quote from jprad:

I don't know where you live, but in my town gas is 3x what it was on 9/11.

Lot of good those 19 oil bases have done for that...

They protect the profits of our oil companies and those who have tanks in Cushing Oklahoma. The only place that deliveries of Oil futures on nymex can occur by a very well lobby'd and privileged few.

 

[ammo]

Quote from jprad:

I don't know where you live, but in my town gas is 3x what it was on 9/11.

Lot of good those 19 oil bases have done for that...

you mentioned short sighted,i,m talking about the future,and the 3.80 for gas is paying for this development,in 1972or 3 when it went from 30 cents to a buck overnite,it never went below 70 cents afterthat, so don't expect gas to get under $3 in our lifetimes





















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[trackstar]

Quote from forextrades:

Al Qaeda doesn't even exist. How can they win a war?

!!!!

 

[BoyPlunger]

Quote from ammo:

you mentioned short sighted,i,m talking about the future,and the 3.80 for gas is paying for this development,in 1972or 3 when it went from 30 cents to a buck overnite,it never went below 70 cents afterthat, so don't expect gas to get under $3 in our lifetimes





















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gas under 3 here now

 

[Bob111]

Quote from forextrades:

Al Qaeda doesn't even exist. How can they win a war?

can you connect the dots?(or links)->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan

the mujahideen were significantly financed and armed (and are alleged to have been trained) by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter[3] and Reagan administrations and the governments of Saudi Arabia, the People's Republic of China, several Western European countries, Iran, and Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan. The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was the interagent used in the majority of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance.

Ronald Reagan praised mujahideen as "freedom fighters", and three mainstream Western films, the 1987 James Bond film The Living Daylights, the 1988 action film Rambo III and the 2007 biographical movie Charlie Wilson's War, portrayed them as heroic.

A wealthy Saudi named Osama bin Laden was a prominent organizer and financier of an all Arab islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[5] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

now ask yourself-who create and finance al qaeda? the answer-same people,who create and finance and then fight saddam. now take a another guess, who those people are? YOU are,all US citizens,who paid the taxes to support this madness for decades..
still surprised why almost all entire world hate US?
if all of you said no to any war support, besides protecting your own land-imo-the world will be much safer place. and US economy too.

 

[circadian]

Quote from PocketChange:


Our Military powers are an absolute embarrasment. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent of technology and weaponry and we can't even locate or win a fight against simpleton caveman hiding in afganastan...

Simple logic, our military has been limited by rules of engament, not by its inability to win a conflict. I will tell you, friend, that the invasion of Iraq and the battle Fallujah were so awesomely violent and catastrophically devastating to the enemy that you have no idea what you are talking about. Those were the "good ol' days" when they let the dogs of war off of their leashes, and let them run free. The outcomes were the same, concise victory through extreme violence and aggression. But people, much like yourself, couldn't stomach the censored information that you were exposed to and started to balk about how out of control we were. So the troops are now tightly governed, and used in an increasingly peaceful manner, now you say our military is an embarrasment. You're just the type of idiot to talk trash, all while you play Ghost Recon on your X Box, and quietly wish that you had the nerve to do the real thing.......lose the ovaries.

 

[rallymode]

Quote from jprad:

Possible, but incredibly short-sighted.

A better strategy would be to open up Alaska and off-shore to oil drilling to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

Drilling for U.S. oil is less short sighted? Strategically, it would make much more sense to never drill on shore but at the end, if oil were to run out before alternatives are found.

 

[jprad]

Quote from rallymode:

Drilling for U.S. oil is less short sighted? Strategically, it would make much more sense to never drill on shore but at the end, if oil were to run out before alternatives are found.

The U.S. has about 3% of the world's oil reserves and consumes about 25% of the world's output. Worse, the U.S. imports about 70% of it's oil and only 30% of those imports come from friendly nations; Canada, U.K. and Mexico.

Strategically speaking, our supply/demand imbalance is not an advantage, it's an exposure. One that's going to grow much worse as the price of oil climbs due to China and India ramping their oil demands up.