Not the same guy. Dan O'brien is the head traders name and its Larry Levins room. You def get books and course work but its not like they say "here....good luck kid" Dan trades all day and only leaves for lunch...But everyone in the room helps out which is what got me hooked. You take classes also @ night but the real education came from trading and following along. My mentor made sure I worked on a sim til he felt I was ready to go.