SEC Sues Hong Kong Couple Who Made 8.2 Million From Dow Jones Stock (on Buyout Bid)

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Thanks for the article. Here though I think the key word is the "tippee" (the sublink to the case involved http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/000/96-842.html). For instance, using your example, a waiter who overhears an M&A activity at the table is not directly being "tipped" by an insider so he wouldn't be considered a "tippee". The following paragraph's definition of outsider is an extension of the word tippee and not necessarily includes the ever-mentioned general public who happens to accidentally stumbles upon the material non-public information

Still waiting for the poor waiter who broke the law. . .


Thanks all of you (esp. wareco & bylo) for the articles and lively arguments, I guess this is my Law & Order night. :)

The waiter in your example incurs no criminal or civil liability. He inadvertently learned of material non-public information from an insider. The insider did not intend to disclose the information to the waiter, and obtained no direct or indirect benefit from its disclosure.

As the Supreme Court court stated in the Dirks case in determining whether there has been a breach of fiduciary duty "Thus, the test is whether the insider personally will benefit, directly or indirectly, from his disclosure. Absent some personal gain, there has been no breach of duty to stockholders. And absent a breach by the insider, there is no derivative breach"

The court went on to say, "The elements of fiduciary duty and exploitation of nonpublic information also exist when an insider makes a gift of confidential information to a trading relative or friend. The tip and trade resemble trading by the insider himself followed by a gift of the profits to the recipient."
 
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Let me go on the record and say I think these a-holes are amoral bastards who stole from honest people and deserve all their assets confisticated and serving many years in jail but my hatred toward them is one thing, serving them justice is quite another. I hope everyone realizes the distinction here.

What is amoral about it? If it were legal I would have done the same trade and so would most.
 
Martha's lawyers let her be interviewed by the SEC and FBI before they scrubbed her brain.....

should have never happened....

bad strategy.......
 
Quote from ElatedMaverick:

What is amoral about it? If it were legal I would have done the same trade and so would most.

So, if cheating were allowed, you'd cheat on every exam? If drinking and driving were allowed, you'd drive with a beer in your hand? If stealing were allowed you'd ransack Bill Gate's home? Beyond its illegality I believe it's immoral (should've said 'immoral' instead of 'amoral', a poor choice on my part) because it involves taking advantage of other market participants (yeah, that's you, me, those poor CBOE naked call writers and I guess in a way, institutions we love to hate like Merrill Lynch too) who are playing by the rules.
 
in washington you are "innocent until investigated." did you watched Syriana?

if you are a foreigner i suspect it is even easier to freeze your assets indefinitely until you prove you're innocent. you are guilty until proven innocent.

Quote from JSL_Capital:

This saga is going to be very interesting. Unless they were directly involved in the takeover, it's going to be very difficult to prove the information was misappropriated (this may surprise many, but the insider trading rule doesn't apply if, for instance, the people involved overheard a conversation between insiders on an elevator and acted upon the information). SEC will try to get some of that profit back as much as possible (out of court settlement?) but it's possible the people involved will get away with most of the profits intact.
 
the Wong's had never traded options in their account and even a straddle would have looked bad even though they could argue they knew something was up but didnt know which way.......

had they bought only 10K shares, they likely could have skated by.....who knows
 
Quote from JSL_Capital:

So, if cheating were allowed, you'd cheat on every exam? If drinking and driving were allowed, you'd drive with a beer in your hand? If stealing were allowed you'd ransack Bill Gate's home? Beyond its illegality I believe it's immoral (should've said 'immoral' instead of 'amoral', a poor choice on my part) because it involves taking advantage of other market participants (yeah, that's you, me, those poor CBOE naked call writers and I guess in a way, institutions we love to hate like Merrill Lynch too) who are playing by the rules.

No, I personally wouldn't have done any of those things that you mentioned, but if I somehow knew or concluded that there was a good chance that a stock was going higher and I could legally buy it, I personally don't see this as immoral. It seems that this is immoral by some code to you, and I'd say that neither of us is right or wrong since morality is a highly personal and subjective thing.
Under different codes of right/wrong one could view oil companies or government as immoral.

If you were playing blackjack in a casino and accidently saw the next card on your turn would you hit or stand based on what you saw, or would you inform the dealer and ask for a shuffle?
 
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