SCT High Velocity Profits Q and A Journal

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Quote from Spydertrader:

No, I cannot pinpoint the exact location on ET or anywhere else I have seen them. I thought I had seen them on one of the older threads, but I am now unable to locate the reports using the search function. Should I locate them, I'll be sure to send you a link.



For the record, the Tucson IBD Group has only reviewed the Equities Method (what Jack now refers to as PVT).

Yes, I know 'many' who trade futures as Jack suggests. Some of these traders I have personally met. Others, I have spoken to over the phone, and a few, I have only communicated with via the ET web site PM function. I personally have only studied / traded the ES using Jack's Methods since June. The length of time the individuals to which I refer have traded varies, but a few have done so for over a year - some even longer. A number of these individuals do post on ET, but many do not. Those that chose not to post, do so, to avoid the hassle which often surrounds Hershey Threads.

Their success rates range from struggling towards consistency at one end to profitable each day on the other. The results I have seen, most would describe as extraordinary by any metric used.

I do not expect anyone to simply take me word for it.

I understand the frustration level which often surrounds Jack's posts. Rarely brief, Jack writes in a style which some perceive as obfuscatory. However, having met the man, I can say, without a doubt, it is not his intent. Unfortunately, most traders on ET (or anywhere else) never have the chance to meet Jack in person, nor sit and watch as he trades. As a result, most view Jack with a great deal of skepticism.

Interestingly, I once held a great deal of skepticism towards trading the futures as described by Jack on ET. Although I could successfully trade the Equities Methods, I viewed the lack of successful posts by futures traders to be quite telling. Two things happened to change my mind. 1. While at a meeting in Tucson, I looked at a chart of the ES, and realized, I could profitably apply an equities template onto the futures. This realization came almost immediately upon watching a chart of the ES in real-time. 2. In a response to a comment I posted in my Journal, I received a few emails from successful traders who rarely (if ever) post on ET. These individuals encouraged me to investigate further trading the ES using the methodology explained by Jack.

Again, I do not expect anyone to simply take my word for it.

The best analogy which describes how one learns to trade Jack's Futures Methods involves learning to drive a car. When we all first learned to drive, we had a mental checklist in our brains of things we needed to do to pass the driving test. Hands at 10:00 AM and 2:00 PM. Check the speed, rear view mirror, side mirror and hit the turn signal when switching lanes. Later, this 'laundry list' became intuitive. No longer needed, the internal monologue disappeared. We switched lanes, passed slower vehicles and travelled from point A to B without thinking much about it. Ever drive down an expressway on a long trip only to realize you had 'zoned out' and driven the last 5 miles on autopilot? We all have. Unfortunately, few people ever get beyond the 'laundry list' stage when attempting to learn Jack's Futures Methods. The data inputs and their priority within the methodology changes over time and context. As a result, in one trade a certain subset of data inputs has higher priority compared to another trade where similar (or entirely different) data inputs take precedence. When driving a car, one uses different observations for decision making a left turn when compared to pulling out of the driveway. So too, do the different data inputs have varying priority when trading Jack's Futures Methods.

I hope I haven't confused things even more for you. If so, I apologize. Good Trading to you all.

- Spydertrader


Very nice post, Spydertrader.


Im glad to see that you are doing well with Jack Hershey's methodology.

I've added certain parts of Jack Hershey's methodology to my methodology and it works just fine :)

I have a different attitude than most folks. See, I don't really care if a system works or not. Im just looking for a few ideas. When I find what I want, I simply know how to "make it work" :)


Goinglite
 
Mak

I can see that Jacks method is much more complicated than anything I have tackled so far and that is why I would love to see some proof it works before I invest as much time as some here have with no results to show for it. He claims to be able to catch almost every turn in the market and surely you can see that anybody who has traded a bit is going to find this claim a bit difficult to believe. The IB execution sheet is timestamped and to see the 20-40 trades alongside a chart would convince me that it does, indeed, work. However from reading past posts I see that this has been requested many times before so I guess it is not going to happen so I will drop the subject and move on.
 
Quote from Goinglite:

I've added certain parts of Jack Hershey's methodology to my methodology and it works just fine :)

See, I don't really care if a system works or not. Im just looking for a few ideas.
Once there is agreement that:

The SCT approach as taught by Jack on ET does not work.

Then SCT concepts can be discussed to determine which part of Jack's method has merit. Sweeps, channels, spike/2pair, FFT, FBO, R2B-B2R, etc., etc., etc.

What parts of this method are helpful? That question seems on-topic and reasonable. The fact that the basic question of profitability is met time and again with toxic posts is in itself suggestive that the method does not work, or there is something very basically wrong with the way it is being presented. Perhaps too much personality and too little reality. I would like to find out....

Thank you Spyer for your post... I will keep looking for someone who successfully trades Jack's method as it is taught on ET.

Best Regards.
 
Quote from slacker:

That question seems on-topic and reasonable.

It isn't on topic, nor reasonable. If the entire premise of the thread involves how SCT does work, as well as, learning how to trade using SCT, then clearly "Let's all try to agree SCT doesn't work and discuss the parts that do work" is a topic for another discussion. Start another thread.

With respect to 'finding people on ET that do trade successfully using Jack's Methods' look in the Question for Grob / Hershey Thread.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

It isn't on topic, nor reasonable.

The title of this thread is "SCT High Velocity Profits Q and A Journal".

What 'profits?' What question can be more important to an open thread? "Is the SCT method as taught by Jack profitable?"

Why the complete reluctance and inability to address the most basic question of any trading journal thread?

I am glad to be posting in an open thread the questions others have asked before without success.

Thank you.
 
Quote from slacker:

I am glad to be posting in an open thread the questions others have asked before without success.

I must have misunderstood your post ....

Quote from slacker:

The SCT approach as taught by Jack on ET does not work.

The above declarative falls opposite of the thread as explained in Jack's first post.

Quote from Grob109:

This is a journal for answering questions of persons who are trading using the SCT approach and who have made the commitment to passforward their knowledge and share profits with people who are solving problems in their local community.

Why not start another thread to discuss your premise? Simple.

- Spydertrader
 
Here is my example of always in trading and an example of what a screen shot of an execution report looks like. Please note that Hershey claims I am an airhead beginner, so please allow me the indulgence of posting these pitiful results of net 8 points on 10 trades in the morning session. BTW these trades were made using techniques not having one whit to do with channels,VDU,PRV,FBO etc ad nauseam.

<img src="http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1202882">
 

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Quote from Magna:

This thread is an open forum, all are welcome to post. ......For instance, requesting the principals of the thread to post a screensnap of an IB execution sheet with their SCT trades for the day is not off-topic in an SCT thread, and is not an unreasonable request..... As I mentioned earlier, this is an open forum and everyone has as much right to post as everyone else. In that case I recommend the Ignore feature.
Spyder you may have missed this earlier post. I am not offended in the least if you do as Magna suggests and put me on ignore.

Thank you.
 
Quote from Chicken Little:

Here is my example of always in trading and an example of what a screen shot of an execution report looks like. Please note that Hershey claims I am an airhead beginner, so please allow me the indulgence of posting these pitiful results of net 8 points on 10 trades in the morning session. BTW these trades were made using techniques not having one whit to do with channels,VDU,PRV,FBO etc ad nauseam.

<img src="http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1202882">

these are deliteful results if u are not on a sim and even if so it looks very promisin'.

if it's not a one off, congrats and keep it up.
 
Quote from slacker:

Spyder you may have missed this earlier post. I am not offended in the least if you do as Magna suggests and put me on ignore.

I have no need to place anyone on an ignore list.

- Spydertrader
 
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