Screwed by IB? "Tough luck dude"

What part of put up or shut up don't you get?

If you haven't got anything to back it up ... you might just be making it up. Standard bullshit fare.
 
Quote from kiwi_trader:

What part of put up or shut up don't you get?

What part of who died and made you the rulemaker don't you get?

Just because you don't have the pattern recognition talent to realize by now that I never post bullshit, doesn't mean that others can't extract any value from my claim <i>sans</i>-hard proof.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

What part of "I'm not at liberty to disclose many details" are you having trouble comprehending?

Anyone familiar with me & my posts to this site who is also blessed with the pattern recognition abilities of a successful trader, instinctively knows to take my post seriously- For the simple reason that it came from me.

On the other hand, anyone who can confidently laugh off my statement as certain nonsense... Well, good luck to you, but I'm sure glad you're not managing <i>my</i> money.
Yeah, your post sobered me up.

But if such can be proven I would think that at the least lawsuits would follow, and if not, there would at least be a mass migration from IB.

But like I said I don't do busines with them anyway.

Best

Edit: In fact, it's such a strong statement, you really do need something backing it up if you're going to make it, simply because of the millions of dollars at stake ... there's a whole industry of top-tier third-party trading accessories that exist solely to administer to the needs of the IB clientle.
 
LMAO RM. An allegation with nothing to back up is as hollow as your threats. Just more RM bullshit. I've noted plenty of people disagree with your unsupported opinions in the past -- no doubt some of them were right, many more intelligent than you, many more knowledgeable or better educated.

An unsupported opinion from you is just an unsupported opinion.

Put up or shut up.
 
Quote from OldTrader:

I don't have a bone to pick with you either. But I do disagree with your statement, and the reasoning behind it.

But first, to answer a few of your questions. I'm sure I've made some posts that question IB. But if I have, they are in the distinct minority. And there's a reason for that. I'm a happy customer, and have been for a number of years. Not that periodically something doesn't happen that pisses me off. But mostly I like the firm, and what it offers. For the most part I don't need their customer service. I'm capable of reading instructions, figuring the platform out. The few times I've had to contact customer service, they've been polite, and handled my questions. I'm self-sufficient, experienced, and therefore am probably the ideal IB customer. I read all the anti-IB threads. Most of them are initiated by people who haven't read the User Manual, and therefore, don't know what they're talking about.

What struck me about your post is the cynicism it reflected about the motives of IB. That bothers me, because I know you don't have any facts. You simply shot from the hip.

Look, I started off in the brokerage business. I've liquidated position and/or accounts due to margin calls. The idea is that you liquidate. You don't try to arrange the other side of the trade so that you make a profit on the liquidation. Come on. You got some facts regarding that, trot em out. But you and I both know you don't. All you got in this case is a general belief that IB will do anything at all to make a profit.

I would grant that IB is in business to make a profit. But I would guess, without having been privy to their internal workings, that when they get a margin call the account is simply liquidated in the most convenient fashion for IB. I don't think they're trading against you. But if the fills don't seem as good as they could have been, guess what? The chances are that when IB is liquidating, so is every other brokerage firm. So that's how it goes. In wheat the liquidation is most apt to be liquidating short positions, or spreads of the type this guy had. So all brokerage firms are liquidating at the same time, in the same direction. Bad fills should be expected. That doesn't mean IB benefitted. They just did what they had to do.

I have seen no evidence that IB is trading against a margin call. I think that you statement regarding that only reflects your cynicism, not facts. If I'm wrong, show me where I'm wrong.

OldTrader

EDIT: By the way, not many people have called me an idiot in my life. Yeah, I know what could have happened. But when I don't see any evidence at all that it did happen, then I'm unwilling to accuse a company of having done it. If that makes me an idiot in your eyes, then so be it. What I think it makes me is fair.

Your logic is backwards. You should assume IB is guilty until proven innocent. IB is a broker/market maker. They will do anything they can to take money.

If you are stuck with 100k of stock in a thin name and you get a margin call, you think IB won't short in front of you and then have you cover 3 points lower on a dark pool? Worst case, IB sues you and you can't afford to pay them back. Best case, you have multiple accounts, or 300k+ in assets, and IB gets to keep 300k from you. They're brokers. Brokers... you can never trust. They operate with one intention and one intention only: make money in any legal(?) way possible.
 
Quote from NY0BScalper:

Your logic is backwards. You should assume IB is guilty until proven innocent. IB is a broker/market maker. They will do anything they can to take money.

If you are stuck with 100k of stock in a thin name and you get a margin call, you think IB won't short in front of you and then have you cover 3 points lower on a dark pool? Worst case, IB sues you and you can't afford to pay them back. Best case, you have multiple accounts, or 300k+ in assets, and IB gets to keep 300k from you. They're brokers. Brokers... you can never trust. They operate with one intention and one intention only: make money in any legal(?) way possible.

more nonsense.
 
Quote from NY0BScalper:

Your logic is backwards. You should assume IB is guilty until proven innocent. IB is a broker/market maker. They will do anything they can to take money.

If you are stuck with 100k of stock in a thin name and you get a margin call, you think IB won't short in front of you and then have you cover 3 points lower on a dark pool? Worst case, IB sues you and you can't afford to pay them back. Best case, you have multiple accounts, or 300k+ in assets, and IB gets to keep 300k from you. They're brokers. Brokers... you can never trust. They operate with one intention and one intention only: make money in any legal(?) way possible.
My God, what a clown you are.
 
Quote from def:

more nonsense.

Wow, it's tag team IB attack dog action in this thread!

I fail to see what all the fuss is about. When I made the post that brought the IB hounds crashing through my door, I didn't think I was saying anything that isn't tacitly assumed by everyone who opens an account at a brokerage.

I guess it's telling that the only ones in here tearing a strip off of us for saying what everyone knows to be true are the acknowledged leaders of the rabid pack.

I have never said that IB isn't a fine broker for people who know what they're doing. Anyone who exposes himself to the kind of thing I am talking about has already shown that he doesn't know what he's doing, and in that sense I don't think it would matter much who his broker was.

The only strange thing is that anyone would actually believe that IB wouldn't do whatever they legally could to make money off of a customer who has relinquished trading authority in his own account to them.
 
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