SCOTUS kills Biden plan to forgive student loan debt

[piezoe]

Unless you are race X you cannot do Y is literally the definition of racism.

Dumbass racists will go to any length of pretzel logic to try to legitimize it but the racism is usually right there at the front of the statement.

There is no question that the logic of Jackson's dissent will go over many heads. The absurdity of using race as a criterion for something that race should play no part in will win the day for those who cheer the Courts decision. Yet this misses completely the point of Jackson's dissent. Did you read her dissent?

 

[rbigsby]

why does someone making $120,000 per year need any help paying a student loan? i could understand if they targeted this debt relief to people making no more than say $20,000 or $30,000 but if someone is making more than that then ... if someone is only making $20k per year after graduating college then biden should pay off their entire loan because clearly the educational degree they got is worthless in the job market...

 

[MKTrader]

Not having lived in prior centuries, it's impossible now, unless we are black, to understand why using race as a criterion in making college admission decisions is anything other than absurd. Yet Justice Jackson's brilliant, dissenting opinion explains why two-hundred years of the Court's rulings favoring white citizens over the negro still, to this day, justify consideration of race in college admission decisions. (Do not be confused into thinking race has been the only criterion. It is not. Race is an additional consideration among qualified applicants.)

Please read Justice Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissenting opinion here:

https://thehill.com/homenews/4073556-read-jackson-dissent-supreme-court-affirmative-action/

Hogwash and hooey.

• I've read better small-town letters to the editor than Jackon's dissent. It makes it all the more clear why she's pro-affirmative action...job security! Read some of the founders or Scalia if you want to read rigorous legal reasoning.
• No one has to live in a past century--what a silly cope. I've lost well over 6 figures due to affirmative action (not counting scholarships/financial aid I didn't receive). Family members couldn't get into medical school despite impeccable grades and admission scores because a Ketanji Jumamji Brown Jackson type was the head of admissions and hated white males. The low point was working for a high school diploma-only black female "diversity" manager hire when I had a master's degree and years of technical experience. Prior to the management promotion, she was known for not being able to print a business card correctly.
• Race is an "additional" consideration? It must weigh pretty heavily, then. I know a local city councilman's daughter who got into Harvard Law School with a very mediocre LSAT score.
• I've also known Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotian families who came off boats with literally nothing but the shirts on their backs in the 70s. They who worked hard, did well and saw their children do better than they did. Yet we're supposed to believe one race needs an unfair boost in scholarships/aid/employment for (fill in the blank) more centuries.

Next we'll probably here this Juneteenth crime was justified since a nationwide reparations bill hasn't been passed.
Mob of teens ransack LA McDonald's with chaos caught on tape (nypost.com)

 

[MoreLeverage]

Race is an "additional" consideration? It must weigh pretty heavily, then.

Indeed. Part of the reason Harvard lost was they were arguing out of both sides of their mouth, that

1) race was only a minor factor, as was allowed under prior SCOTUS cases in some circumstances, but also
2) race was such an important factor that diversity would be unachievable without it

Harvard’s own models said Asians would be over 40% if they had to stop discriminating against them and level the playing field, roughly double where they were before this lawsuit started. An Asian student with a comparable application needed 400 points(!) higher on the SAT than a Black student for the same chance of admission.

good thing they stopped asking for SATs so they hide the next round of discrimination they’re definitely going to do. Where are the reparations for the generations of wronged students? Surely Harvard’s $50B endowment can afford sone, given they’re wasting $100M feeling bad about historical slavery.

 

[piezoe]

A lot of spinning going on.

 

[KCalhoun]

The whole premise behind aa is flawed. Why limit it to just race... why not include overweight, or short, or ugly, or trans, or nearsighted in aa? One could argue all those have limited their opportunities. It's bs.

All that should matter is accomplishment, and test scores.

In what universe is it fair that Caucasian Cindy with GPA 3.2 loses her spot to non-caucasian Chantelle with GPA 2.6, due to color of skin? That's total bs and racist. All that should matter is test scores.

Oh wait, why not throw out tests altogether?
Only in kalifornia..

https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system...e-remove-SAT-ACT-standardized-tests-2022.aspx

Dumbasses

 

[The_Krakenite]

Since we live now in a woke society where you can pick and choose which of the 99999 different SEXes you want to be... I find it odd that I am not allowed to also choose how much melanin in my skin I have on my driver's license. It sure would come in handy...

Keep being told I have white privilege, yet I am consistently prohibited from many jobs around here due to my skin colour and get hit by higher requirements for entrance into universities. And then... a libertard tells me this is how we will live in a non-racist environment (it's progressive you know).

 

[nitrene]

The whole premise behind aa is flawed. Why limit it to just race... why not include overweight, or short, or ugly, or trans, or nearsighted in aa? One could argue all those have limited their opportunities. It's bs.

All that should matter is accomplishment, and test scores.

In what universe is it fair that Caucasian Cindy with GPA 3.2 loses her spot to non-caucasian Chantelle with GPA 2.6, due to color of skin? That's total bs and racist. All that should matter is test scores.

Oh wait, why not throw out tests altogether?
Only in kalifornia..

https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system...e-remove-SAT-ACT-standardized-tests-2022.aspx

Dumbasses

California is slowly becoming a shithole thanks to the 1 party rule here. It stays afloat due to old money buying all the coastal real estate along with Hollywood & the VCs in silly valley. Hollywood is slowly leaving LA for cheaper places like Canada & Atlanta and the VC movement has gone global so California is in trouble.

Equality has its price. It means the dumbing down of society. If you can't get at least 1000 on the SAT you won't do well in college anyway. When I was at UCB in 1987 I knew a few AA submits and they all dropped out by the second semester. Students with a 800 SAT and 2.0 GPA don't belong at the UCs.

 

[murray t turtle]

why does someone making $120,000 per year need any help paying a student loan?

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The whole premise behind aa is flawed. Why limit it to just race... why not include overweight, or short, or ugly, or trans, or nearsighted in aa? One could argue all those have limited their opportunities. It's bs.

%%
LOL
Exactly, even though fat/ larger cattle+ chickens $ell for more;
LOL But that's the private sector measure\NOTa cheap election year trick, attempt @ pandering for votes
And if white privelege is such a big deal; why not all white bears polar bears + all cattle white TX longhorns.
TALKING about ''reparations in CA'' LOL-- OK .
Like CA IBD helper Mr Larry Elder said sarcastic like= ''student loan debt forgivenes is reparations for rich white kids'' LOL.
Good SCOTUS smackdown against overweight /overreach dem group

 

[ETJ]

Biden Administration to Wipe Out $39 Billion in Student Loans for 800,000 Borrowers

Decision comes after the Supreme Court blocked a plan to forgive $430 billion in debt

By

Harriet Torry
Updated July 14, 2023 10:52 am ET

The student loans affected by the Education Department’s decision will be automatically discharged in the coming weeks. PHOTO: BING GUAN/BLOOMBERG NEWS
The Education Department said Friday that it will forgive $39 billion in federal student loans for more than 804,000 borrowers.

The discharges are a result of fixes implemented by the Biden administration to ensure borrowers have an accurate count of monthly payments that qualify toward forgiveness under income-driven repayment plans, the department said. The affected loans will be automatically discharged in the coming weeks.


Friday’s move is implementing previously announced plans. Those actions are separate from the more high-profile policy that the Supreme Court rejected in late June. The court threw out the Biden administration’s plan to forgive student loans held by 40 million Americans, ending a $430 billion program.

STUDENT DEBT IMPACT

Who’s Impacted by the Supreme Court’s Student-Loan Forgiveness Ruling
https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-co...ts-student-loan-ruling-in-six-charts-d5d3d637
An income-driven repayment plan calculates monthly student loan payments based on income and family size. Inaccurate payment counts resulted in borrowers losing progress toward loan forgiveness, the department said.

Income-driven repayment plans were designed to help lower earners borrow for college, but few have been able to use them effectively because of technical problems and onerous amounts of income-verification paperwork.

“For far too long, borrowers fell through the cracks of a broken system that failed to keep accurate track of their progress towards forgiveness,” Education Secretary Miguel Cardona said in a statement.

Updates to follow as news develops


The Supreme Court overturned President Biden’s student-debt forgiveness plan, claiming it exceeded the authority Congress delegated to the executive branch. WSJ’s Andrew Restuccia explains what the decision means for borrowers. Photo illustration: Elise Dean