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There are at least 3 that attested to Christ that lived when he lived....they are named matthew,mark and luke.
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That's equivalent to the Three Bears attesting Goldilocks lived when she lived.
 
Quote from stu:

You do realize do you , stating "most secular scholars accept the historicity of Jesus" , doesn't make it so?
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Yes and at the same time does not disprove it.

You're remarks are your opinion not fact. There's more evidence affirming the Person of Jesus, than denying it. Thus the reason most scholars believe there was a Jesus.

Say what you want, most scholars and historians think your wrong.
 
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There's no ambiguity. Astonishing as it may seem to you, there is actually NOTHING which historically confirms Jesus once lived or existed in the real world.
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Yes there is, as it has been put out time and time again. Your statement is false and misleading
 
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You do realize do you , stating "most secular scholars accept the historicity of Jesus" , doesn't make it so?

You should realize too by now, that repeating over and over a few dodgy remarks said to have been written hundreds of years after the supposed life of Christ by people who were not even there, and who could not have found any established historical evidence for a Christ even if they wanted to , does not work as historical evidence.

I'll say it again as you are notoriously so slow.

There is no historical evidence of whatsoever from secular scholars or from religious apologist scholars ANYWHERE that authenticates an historical Jesus.
No one has ever shown that the character Christ ever historically existed and certainly not so as claimed by any christian, scholar or not.

There's no ambiguity. Astonishing as it may seem to you, there is actually NOTHING which historically confirms Jesus once lived or existed in the real world.
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you do understand that the second passage of Josephus alone proves you are full of shit.

You do realize that just about every Christian and secular scholar on antiquities disagrees with you.
 
Jesus lived, he was an incompetent carpenter who didn't want to work so he become the David Blane of his day and lived off of others who gave him food and shelter and all that crap. He appealed to the poor and stupid, the Tea Party people of today, and he became popular, like Ron Paul.
 
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That's equivalent to the Three Bears attesting Goldilocks lived when she lived.
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So now you are saying Matthew, Mark & Luke were not real people? Wow. I bet you think the holocaust never happened too, just like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe you also think we never landed on the moon either.
 
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Jesus lived, he was an incompetent carpenter who didn't want to work so he become the David Blane of his day and lived off of others who gave him food and shelter and all that crap. He appealed to the poor and stupid, the Tea Party people of today, and he became popular, like Ron Paul.
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Ron Paul = Jesus reborn!
 
Quote from Wallet:

Yes and at the same time does not disprove it.

You're remarks are your opinion not fact. There's more evidence affirming the Person of Jesus, than denying it. Thus the reason most scholars believe there was a Jesus.

Say what you want, most scholars and historians think your wrong.
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Whether it is true or not most scholars believe there was a Jesus is debatable. People who study Jesus or Christ are normally biblical scholars rather than mainstream historians.
Mainstream rather obviously don't really care about establishing things that are not historical.
They don't care about formerly confirming Robin Hood was not an historical figure either. That's not their role.

So no, most historians do NOT have any professional reason to accept that Jesus was a historical figure
The main reason being, there is just no historical evidence for it.

But in any case, any historian who states Jesus was an historical figure, has yet to provide the usual classical historical evidence for it they learned is essential, when they trained to become a historian in the first place.

To date it's never been done.

Just religious claims ingrained into society over centuries wrapped up as historical fact, when it is actually nothing of the kind.

You have to completely suspend all your training skills and understanding of what it is to be a historian if you are going to say Christ was an historical figure

Certainly no one on this thread has produced any evidence which stands historically valid that the Christ character ever existed in reality.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

So now you are saying Matthew, Mark & Luke were not real people? Wow. I bet you think the holocaust never happened too, just like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe you also think we never landed on the moon either.
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Nothing is known of Matthew, Mark, & Luke apart from what is mentioned in the Gospels. So they were real people according to what? The Bible?
Well that won't wash.

You're saying Cinderella and her two Ugly Sisters were not real people? Wow. I bet you think the holocaust never happened too, just like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Maybe you also think we never landed on the moon either.
 
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