Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy

[jem]

I wrote...
"You don't have to be a scientist to realize a lockdown like we had/have will not extinguish the virus. (that is why is was so dumb to isolate the low risk groups once hospitals became empty."


you introduced your stupidity below... (we were not talking about the risk of contagion but apparently that what you thought low risk meant. )

There's no such thing as low risk with a novel contagion

 

[Cuddles]

I wrote...
"You don't have to be a scientist to realize a lockdown like we had/have will not extinguish the virus. (that is why is was so dumb to isolate the low risk groups once hospitals became empty."


you introduced your stupidity below... (we were not talking about the risk of contagion but apparently that what you thought low risk meant. )

and you were too goddamn stupid to grasp my point, that quarantines are done to reduce the spread of a disease. You're welcome, dumb ass.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You do realize in many states including North Carolina it is still difficult to get a test. I don't think that people who cough twice are getting a test. We are even turning away people still with multiple symptoms.

Okay, and is there some kind of catastrophic event happening in North Carolina? I just looked. 19700 cases and 691 dead. That's over an 11 week period. Too my knowledge the local hospitals have not been overwhelmed and are managing quite well. Apparently tests or no tests don't seem to have much of an impact. Not saying they shouldn't move forward with testing but it's obvious that testing isn't the be all and end all of containment. The fact remains, most people infected will have little to no symptoms and require zero medical attention. Isolate and protect those at high risk of death and let the rest go about their business, prudent precautions taken of course.

 

[gwb-trading]

Okay, and is there some kind of catastrophic event happening in North Carolina? I just looked. 19700 cases and 691 dead. That's over an 11 week period. Too my knowledge the local hospitals have not been overwhelmed and are managing quite well. Apparently tests or no tests don't seem to have much of an impact. Not saying they shouldn't move forward with testing but it's obvious that testing isn't the be all and end all of containment. The fact remains, most people infected will have little to no symptoms and require zero medical attention. Isolate and protect those at high risk of death and let the rest go about their business, prudent precautions taken of course.

In order to re-open there are standards to be met in regards to the number of test processed each day and that proper contact tracing is in place. There are also standards to be met regarding a 14 day decline in new cases and hospitalizations in North Carolina.

The hospitals are not overwhelmed. Elective surgeries have been going on for several weeks already in most locations. However the state has struggled to get above 5000 tests per day. One day recently we hit 10,000 tests. At this point the problem is not test availability but the processing capability. Merely coughing does not get you tested.

As our governor admitted we are more flat in many statistics rather than declining. However we are still cautiously moving ahead to phase 2 of re-opening on Friday. The re-opening process being followed in our state appears to have 81% public support in surveys at this point.

 

[CaptainObvious]

No, we had a national shut down, because your dumbass sat with his thumb up his ass for months, so localized shut downs became impossible once every state had it.

What the dumbass did was shutdown travel from China very early on and was called a racist for doing so. This is indisputable. Then he and others watched and waited gathering information as the virus spread. He, not surprisingly, made a couple goofy predictions. As it became apparent this virus would hit us as hard as anywhere else he, and his team of advising "experts" examined the data from what we now know were extremely faulty modeling projections and went to work spreading fear and panic while using those models to justify a complete shutdown nationwide. Being as kind as I possibly can be I will grudgingly say that good men and women drew incorrect conclusions from faulty models, erred on the side of caution and closed it all down. Once it became apparent that was a unnecessary action they've been trying to dial it back while being bogged down in political gamesmanship making any real progress damn near impossible. In spite of this the American people have cooperated best they can, but now realize the boogeyman isn't showing up and have had enough of the fear mongering political shenanigans.

 

[jem]

bullshit..

you ignorantly wrote...
"There's no such thing as low risk with a novel contagion".
You were being a dick and ignorant at the same time.

and you were too goddamn stupid to grasp my point, that quarantines are done to reduce the spread of a disease. You're welcome, dumb ass.

 

[CaptainObvious]

In order to re-open there are standards to be met in regards to the number of test processed each day and that proper contact tracing is in place. There are also standards to be met regarding a 14 day decline in new cases and hospitalizations in North Carolina.

The hospitals are not overwhelmed. Elective surgeries have been going on for several weeks already in most locations. However the state has struggled to get above 5000 tests per day. One day recently we hit 10,000 tests. At this point the problem is not test availability but the processing capability. Merely coughing does not get you tested.

As our governor admitted we are more flat in many statistics rather than declining. However we are still cautiously moving ahead to phase 2 of re-opening on Friday. The re-opening process being followed in our state appears to have 81% public support in surveys at this point.

With a large portion of the 81% who support the process making as much or more than they were making while working I'm sure they are content to sit and wait. We'll see what the polling looks like when/if the government tit dries up. They might not be all that enthusiastic at that point and everyone is in for a serious bitch slap when the bill comes due for all of this and that is something we haven't even seen a glimpse of yet, but it's coming. No way around it. Loss of tax revenue is going to bankrupt hundreds if not thousands of local municipalities, and states...it ain't gonna be pretty.

 

[jem]

By the way... there is another reason your statement was probably ignorant.

Its looking like some people in the low risk group would be a low risk for catching the virus again.

It looks like those who had the Virus likely become immune for at least some period of time...
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

There's no such thing as low risk with a novel contagion

 

[Cuddles]

bullshit..

you ignorantly wrote...
"There's no such thing as low risk with a novel contagion".
You were being a dick and ignorant at the same time.

Listen, you're too stupid to read nuance. If you can't grasp how I'm minimizing your "high risk" argument by countering how everyone's at "risk" of catching the virus and spreading it, I can't help you.

By the way... there is another reason you statement was probably ignorant.

Its looking like some people in the low risk group would be a low risk for catching the virus again.

It looks like those who had the Virus likely become immune for at least some period of time...
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

immunity's a wonderful thing. Welcome to 3rd grade science class

 

[jem]

I get you your new argument.
It is irrelevant now, as it would have been non responsive then.

I will respond to it as I have in the past.

We explain to you doomers almost daily.. the lock down does not prevent people from catching the virus.
its just puts the date off when they catch it.
They will catch it when they return out of lock down because the lockdown we have does not extinguish the virus.

your argument is a stupid argument, unless you think the vaccine is on its way before we have to let the low risk group out.

so we can't avoid the spread of the virus... it will happen just like in Sweden and then it will hopefully staring trending down as it is doing in Sweden. .
What we need to do isolate the high risk group.

Listen, you're too stupid to read nuance. If you can't grasp how I'm minimizing your "high risk" argument by countering how everyone's at "risk" of catching the virus and spreading it, I can't help you.


immunity's a wonderful thing. Welcome to 3rd grade science class