Schwab doesn't like shorting

So seeing a huge resizing offer that steps down a penny in front of whatever the low tick is won't cause panic?

Anyone ever notice that when news comes out, those crazy market buy/market sell programs are actually by and large ADDING liquidity?

For the record I post more than I take.
 
Quote from stock777:

Dear imbeciles.

We got along fine with the uptick rule for decades.

Please, take your ridiculous objections to the Yahoo boards where they belong.


Thanks in advance.

PS The only ones benefiting from the no uptick rule are black box manipulators and rumor mongers. No one else.

A trader that doesn't like volatility isn't a trader at all.
 
Quote from cybtropic:

He's 100% right. I have never seen so many stocks lose sometimes 50+% of their value in a matter of minutes with not even one green bar on a 3-min chart.

I've been shorting long before the uptick rule was repealed and never had a problem with this rule. Just because someone supports the rule doesn't mean they are against shorting.

Agreed 100%
As usual, yet another Bush appointee ( SEC Chairman Christopher Cox ) is asleep at the wheel.

When you see a market plunge 200 points in the last 7 minutes of a trading session because shorts and Ultra Pro Bear ETF Funds are simply machine-gunning down the bids, people are unable to "process" the market data that they are seeing before their eyes.

Why Cox doesn't realize this is absolutely beyond me . . . He should go back to the OC and never be heard from again. He has not defended capitalism.
 
We can see from this thread who's lost money on long positions.

Shouldn't have an uptick rule for shorting without having a similar downtick rule for buying.
 
Quote from Landis82:

Agreed 100%
As usual, yet another Bush appointee ( SEC Chairman Christopher Cox ) is asleep at the wheel.

When you see a market plunge 200 points in the last 7 minutes of a trading session because shorts and Ultra Pro Bear ETF Funds are simply machine-gunning down the bids, people are unable to "process" the market data that they are seeing before their eyes.

Why Cox doesn't realize this is absolutely beyond me . . . He should go back to the OC and never be heard from again. He has not defended capitalism.


This volatility has nothing to do with manipulators, its what happens in bear markets. Please provide empirical evidence that it's the shorts causing this sell off and not longs getting out of their positions.

It would also help your case to provide fundamental evidence to support higher prices. Maybe the shorts are right and any rise in price at this moment is unjustified...

-Neo
 
Quote from Neodude:

This volatility has nothing to do with manipulators, its what happens in bear markets.

-Neo

I strongly disagree.

You are failing to make an important distinction between volatility and VELOCITY.

Even given the bear market environment that we are currently in, the market has NEVER historically displayed the kind of VELOCITY and speed at which prices are being printed . . . even in the modern electronic era.

That's my point.
 
Quote from Landis82:

I strongly disagree.

You are failing to make an important distinction between volatility and VELOCITY.

Even given the bear market environment that we are currently in, the market has NEVER historically displayed the kind of VELOCITY and speed at which prices are being printed . . . even in the modern electronic era.

That's my point.


That might be so, but that does not mean anyone has proven a correlation between the uptick rule and velocity. People are coming to a conclusion without PROVING cause and effect. Just because some one says it is so, does not make it so.

If science used the same thought process we would still believe that the sun revolves around the earth. Either way, no one has proven that removing the uptick rule has caused nor increased volatility.

-Neo
 
Quote from robbie380:

it sounds like you are talking about rumors more than you are talking about the uptick rule. further are you telling me that those crappy companies that went bankrupt or had shotgun marriage mergers would still be strong viable companies if those horrrrible rumors....errrrrrrrr truth....wasn't put out there?

I've been trading everyday during this entire decline and I only trade equities. I'm just speaking from experience based on what I have seen.

Rumors by themselves did not cause the declines but contributed to it. No uptick rule was tested for some time before being implemented, but it was NOT tested in volatile times where fear prevails. No ONE thing caused the declines.

Here is the formula:

(NO UPTICK RULE + NAKED SHORTING + RUMORS) x FEAR = 50% decline in 15 minutes.

Defending getting rid of the uptick rule is like defending naked shorting or spreading rumors.
 
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