Schwab doesn't like shorting

stocks are illiquid even in bull markets. so shorts shorting take liquidity even more.

stock exchanges charge more when you take liquidity from the market.



Quote from nitro:

The reinstatement of uptick rule feels so wrong to me. People think they are getting something for nothing, but there is no free lunch in markets. For example, if the UT rule is reisntanted, option markets will automatically compensate for the rule by shifting option values. "Insurance" will likely become more expensive. Offers will go wide in stocks. I can't imagine all the ramifications.

The UT rule if reinstated will not apply to MMs. That means that the balance of power is once again shifted away from the small trader/investor. The democratization of markets will go backwards. It is like saying I want to turn back the clock to the dark ages.

But the most blatant objection towards the UT rules it that people are focusing on the symptoms and not the disease. Imo, all the reinstatement of UT rule does is allow the creation of a _stock_market_ pyramid scheme easier. It will create a bubble of it's own, this time without any outside help.

People don't realize that the stock market didn't implode because of some lack of an UT rule. It imploded because lack of rules in the rest of the market, Wall Street and Main Street. The phony profits created in the real estate and credit markets were instatiably invested in the stock market, which in turn fueled greedy fund managers to encourage more phony real estate money be sent their way so they can slice and dice it, creating more fees for themselves. This in turn fuled more real estate to be built, which in turn fueled more phony RE demand in the form of cheap credit standards, from the very people enticing the real estate bubble, Wall Street. It is worth saying again, this fuels greed uncontrolled because this greed created a positive feedback loop between the stock market and real estate/credit markets. This postive feedback fueled both asset classes demise because it was based on a false premise: real estate prices can't go down. When that phony money dried up, and the value of RE went down, it was a game of VERY fast musical chairs ni all asset classes. There is no regulation that controls greed.

Make rules that don't allow people to get "no doc loans" or other similar time bombs. Make a rule that says that 401K fund managers be held to some standard. Make rules that say 30:1 leverage is not allowed. Make rules that you can't sell $100 worth of insurance with $3 of funds backing it. Concentrate on the real problems. Innovate and the market will come back on it's own.
 
Quote from cybtropic:

Even better call, the removal of the uptick rule had nothing to do with so many stocks losing 50% of their value on RUMORS in minutes.

The key word there, RUMORS.

Several stocks a day basically plummeting off a cliff on rumors?

I can see that happening once in a while, but everyday on several stocks? with not ONE green bar?

it sounds like you are talking about rumors more than you are talking about the uptick rule. further are you telling me that those crappy companies that went bankrupt or had shotgun marriage mergers would still be strong viable companies if those horrrrible rumors....errrrrrrrr truth....wasn't put out there?
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

So what, if the company is solid and Cashflow is safe + dividend yields go up thanks to shortsellers you are being provided an opportunity to buy stuff cheap and dividend reinvest gets more shares.

please take your bullshit logic out of here!!!! THIS IS ELITETRADER!!!
 
and by the way cybtropic....not sure if u knew this but the uptick rule was around back during the 87 crash. did you know that? did you know the uptick rule was around during the nasdaq crash? maybe we should have instated a downtick rule so those stock couldn't have got so overinflated :D
 
Pretty easy to see who the elitetraders are and the 'eliteINVESTORS' ARE.

sec did a study and found that the uptick rule doesn't change how a stock basically performs. Kinda reminds me of the movie Other Peoples Money where Larry the liquidator is talking about if this happened and that did something else and the other thing did something also that everything would be fine.

For those that say that they havent seen anything like this before need to read the book 'fooled by randomness'. simply said, your not allowing for enough sample size.

Are there really TRADERS here that think volatility is a bad thing??? these are great days that we live in and you better hope that they don't go away because you can bet that the retail level trader will be the first casualty.

There comes a time in your trading that you must decide if your going to adapt to the ever changing market or if your going to hope for the 'good ol days' and try to retard progress. It should be clear that the ones that embrace change and adapt are the ones going to make the serious money moving forward.
 
Instead of idiotic debating on here from people who really don't understand market internals, I would like to know what NYSE specialists think about this issue.
 
I guarantee the only ones defending NO uptick rule are those abusing it.

The market , believe it or not, is not there so you don't have to do honest productive work for a living.

It's there to permit capital allocation.
 
Many countries/markets have no uptick rules.
Their markets move up & down in similar fashion to those in US.

I actually was ok with the uptick rule the way it was before.

What I'm not so ok with is this fucking constant change of the "rules".

You got rid of the UR, fine. Now, leave it alone!



Quote from stock777:

I guarantee the only ones defending NO uptick rule are those abusing it.

The market , believe it or not, is not there so you don't have to do honest productive work for a living.

It's there to permit capital allocation.
 
Quote from stock777:

I guarantee the only ones defending NO uptick rule are those abusing it.

The market , believe it or not, is not there so you don't have to do honest productive work for a living.

It's there to permit capital allocation.


The problem with all those who defend the uptick rule is that they don't have empirical evidence to prove that all the "bear raids" are caused by market manipulators.

"Bear raids" are nothing more then people liquidating their positions in a panic, but of course people don't like losing money so they blame the EVIL market manipulators who short stocks.

I blame the idiots who bid the stocks up in the first place.

-Neo
 
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