schools, the new american prisons
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no kidding, students in predominately white sububan schools (both black and white) test highest in the world. They leave Finland down in the dust. But kids from predominately black inner city schools (both black and white) test about 28th in the world. You can read more in book called "I Got Schooled."
From the article:
"But if you want to raise up a generation of freedom fighters, who will actually operate with justice, fairness, accountability and equality towards each other and their government, then run the schools like freedom forums. Remove the metal detectors and surveillance cameras, re-assign the cops elsewhere, and start treating our nation’s young people like citizens of a republic and not inmates in a police state."
That is all well and good, but how are we to deal with thugs in the schools and the occasional psychopath who wants to go fill the school and its occupants with lead?
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"But if you want to raise up a generation of freedom fighters, who will actually operate with justice, fairness, accountability and equality towards each other and their government, then run the schools like freedom forums. Remove the metal detectors and surveillance cameras, re-assign the cops elsewhere, and start treating our nation’s young people like citizens of a republic and not inmates in a police state."
That is all well and good, but how are we to deal with thugs in the schools and the occasional psychopath who wants to go fill the school and its occupants with lead?
fan27
Chicken or egg?
Are schools like prisons because of how the government/teachers treat students, or are "prison-like" schools a response to how students behave??
Personally, I think it's the latter. (Do charter schools have the same problems?) The government being "involved in education" is as fucked up as their being involved in health care.
It galls me that I have to pay high property taxes for "education"... then have the public school system be shit from top to bottom in most places.
Are schools like prisons because of how the government/teachers treat students, or are "prison-like" schools a response to how students behave??
Personally, I think it's the latter. (Do charter schools have the same problems?) The government being "involved in education" is as fucked up as their being involved in health care.
It galls me that I have to pay high property taxes for "education"... then have the public school system be shit from top to bottom in most places.
you vote with your feet.Chicken or egg?
Are schools like prisons because of how the government/teachers treat students, or are "prison-like" schools a response to how students behave??
Personally, I think it's the latter. (Do charter schools have the same problems?) The government being "involved in education" is as fucked up as their being involved in health care.
It galls me that I have to pay high property taxes for "education"... then have the public school system be shit from top to bottom in most places.
They are essentially day care centers...I was watching a special on some principal in a Chicago school (south side, ghetto neighborhood) and her top priority each day was simply getting the kids to school...that was it...once they were there nobody gave a damn about educating them (because that was close to impossible)...it was mostly keeping them off the streets and out of trouble...in an environment such as that, what type of teachers are they going to attract? if the majority of the students have low-iq's or were never properly educated in grades k-8, then what hope is there?
Ditto.
Perhaps public education should be abandoned entirely in favor of charter schools. Seem public education is a waste of money all around, sadly.
But then, that's Leftism for you.
(Years ago I attended the 25th anniversary of my Junior HS... I went there in the 7th grade the 1st year it opened. Some of my teachers were still there... wearing hearing aids and gimping around on arthritic knees, but still there. One of them commented... "In your time, teaching was a pleasure... you kids wanted to learn... our worst problems were running through the halls and chewing gum in class. Today, we're more like prison wardens"... and that was 25 years ago. Worse now, by magnitudes, I imagine.)
I became educated as a scientist partly because of a 6th grade teacher, Mr. Johnson... who wowed me with illustrations of simple amazing things about the physical universe (well, amazing to a 12-yr old)... you know, like hydrolyzing water into hydrogen and oxygen gasses with an electric current... then igniting the gasses to see how differently they burn. Do you get it? I got to "IGNITE/BURN WATER... TWICE".. and learn about how and why that worked. (If you understand that, you'll also know what/why happened to the Hindenberg.)
Much later, I went to college. In a Chemistry class, I was informed... "In this class, you will learn how to build a still and distill 190 proof alcohol. You'll also learn how to build a bomb. Your grade will be heavily influenced by your self-discipline to do neither".
Anything like that in public school today??
Ahhhh, Common Core... Leftism.
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ha, ha, If adults are going to change based on how children behave there is no hope for us. I'm pretty sure I was about as shitty as any of these kids are today. Kids have always been the same. We were all bad. The only thing that has changed are adults.Chicken or egg?
Are schools like prisons because of how the government/teachers treat students, or are "prison-like" schools a response to how students behave??
Personally, I think it's the latter. (Do charter schools have the same problems?) The government being "involved in education" is as fucked up as their being involved in health care.
It galls me that I have to pay high property taxes for "education"... then have the public school system be shit from top to bottom in most places.
I went to a strict Catholic school Gr1-8...no behavioral problems allowed...and this was back before a teacher could be fired/sued for physical punishment...yes, we all lived in fear of punishment, but the only ones dumb enough to try and push the buttons of the teachers and/or act out didn't last long and eventually left...for the most part everybody understood the rules and classes operated efficiently.