School superintendent gives up $800k in pay

Quote from chaosclarity:

A "public service" job is supposed to be just that. When a public servant makes more then doctors, lawyers and businesspeople then that is an obvious problem. [/QUOTE

+1
when math teachers make more than engineers there is a problem.
when teachers ie babysitters make more than scientists there is an problem.
when post office workers make more than most workers in the private sector in small towns there is an obvious problem
 
Quote from morganist:

He was in charge of 325 schools or something. In England they pay a headmaster in excess of two hundred thousand pounds a year in salary and benefits, in some circumstances.

That sounds impressive, but what does that really mean? He could do an atrociously bad job and he'd still get his full retirement. In the worst case, they'd move him to some bogus bureacratic position until he was ready to retire. It's not like they're going to hold him to some high standard and fire him if his schools have poor performance metrics.
 
sadly the flip side of democracy is that majority always wins.

this administration does not put a premium on iq. in fact, it subtly punishes it

Quote from zdreg:

Quote from chaosclarity:

A "public service" job is supposed to be just that. When a public servant makes more then doctors, lawyers and businesspeople then that is an obvious problem. [/QUOTE

+1
when math teachers make more than engineers there is a problem.
when teachers ie babysitters make more than scientists there is an problem.
when post office workers make more than most workers in the private sector in small towns there is an obvious problem
 
There are quite a few professional athletes with long term contracts that should be doing the same thing. All it would take is one guy to say "You know what I signed this contract and they paid me $12million last year, but I did not live up to it..so I'm going to give back $10million".

Of course, I'm sure the various player's unions would file a motion to declare such act a violation of the bargaining agreement.
 
Quote from bone:

The primary problem with public employees is the retirement and benefits package.

This guy could retire and for 30 years collect most of his base salary and complete benefits with minimal co-pay - which is what is bankrupting the states.

Ask the State of Wisconsin, New Jersey, etc. etc. etc.

It is the bennies.

I know, I've been like a broken record talking about that for a few years now. Basically, the state is paying perhaps as many as 3 people for the very same job. The two guys who retired and the current employee.

The bottomline is that the states have to move to the point where the retiree's retirement is his financial burden, not the taxpayers. The private sector has moved towards it for the past 25-30 years, there is zero rationale for the public sector to avoid it (aside from politicians who are basically making false promises that can never be realistically delivered).
 
From the Weekly Standard, which is of course a right-wing rag but there are some hard, undeniable budget facts being reported by Wisconsin School Districts with Education Union Reforms being only one month old:

•School districts that were able to institute Scott Walker’s & the GOP’s reforms to collective bargaining procedures have generally been able to balance their school budgets for the year without layoffs. In fact, at least one district that was on the verge of instituting layoffs will be able to avoid that.
•School districts that were not able to institute those reforms – for whatever reasons – will not be avoiding layoffs.

The Weekly Standard article linked to above lists Milwaukee (354 teachers fired) and Kenosha (212 teachers to be laid off). The first example is particularly noteworthy because: a), Milwaukee had had to fire an additional 482 teachers in 2010; and b), the Milwaukee school board estimates that it could rehire at least 200 of their teachers if the union simply agreed to instituting employee contributions to their own pensions (5.8%).

From the Wisconsin Governor's Office

Month One: Walker Budget Working

Madison—One month after the 2011-13 state budget was signed into law, tangible results from the reforms put in place by Governor Walker and the Legislature are being realized. According to media reports, local units of government and school districts have already saved more than $220 million, with millions more in potential savings not yet reported.

The state is also adding jobs. Between December 2007 and December 2010, Wisconsin lost over 153,600 private sector jobs. The state has netted over 39,000 new private sector jobs since the Governor called a special session to open Wisconsin for business. The state has seen 14,100 manufacturing jobs created since January. In June Wisconsin had a net job creation of 9,500 new jobs, including nearly 13,000 private sector jobs. Only four states created more private sector jobs than Wisconsin did in the last month.

Below is a sampling of local units of governments being able to balance their budget and improve services due to the reforms contained in the 2011-13 state budget and the budget repair bill:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UfmhOFukBtUq64UyJ9bhnymuWg13PdXwMYHtBrI_2Ok/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1#
 
Quote from denner:

There are quite a few professional athletes with long term contracts that should be doing the same thing. All it would take is one guy to say "You know what I signed this contract and they paid me $12million last year, but I did not live up to it..so I'm going to give back $10million".

Of course, I'm sure the various player's unions would file a motion to declare such act a violation of the bargaining agreement.

That's possible, but there are a couple of key differences:

1) Athletes aren't funded via taxes

2) Athletes are notoriously bad at handling their finances. Many end up in poverty at the end of their lives. It would be different if they had a big, juicy pension coming after retiring like the superintendent has.

Still, if athletes and/or celebrities (especially those of the Left persuasion) want to voluntarily give up their pay to charity or to pay off the national debt, that's fine with me. Buffet should've done this years ago.
 
Quote from BSAM:

The education cartel is one of the best scams in the USA.

Exactly! Not only it provides jobs to incompetent irresponsible and even criminal teachers, not it gives more jobs to police unions.

Now they even have cops in or near schools to write hefty tickets ($500/ticket isn't unusual in Texas, $240/ticket for being a little late to school in LA) to enhance revenue for the cities and police departments.

After much community protest, LA stopped writing truancy tickets the first hour of school for students on their way to school.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...isbehavior/2011/08/04/gIQA5EG9UJ_story_2.html

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011..._students_on_their_way_to_school_anymore.html

Cops know that they can get the most number of truancy tickets napping kids near the school the first hour after school starts. These tickets are $240 each. Nice revenue enhancement for the LAPD.

"It turned out that many students who got slammed with tickets weren’t exactly “truants,” many students were getting ticketed while they were on their way to school, and sometimes while they were just blocks away. The tickets ended up hitting the poorest students worst; community organizing groups found that many kids have to help drop off their younger siblings to school, or are dependent on Los Angeles’ shoddy public transit or their own two feet to get them to school, and often were juggling many other things in their lives besides just school."
 
Quote from zdreg:

Quote from chaosclarity:

A "public service" job is supposed to be just that. When a public servant makes more then doctors, lawyers and businesspeople then that is an obvious problem. [/QUOTE

+1
when math teachers make more than engineers there is a problem.
when teachers ie babysitters make more than scientists there is an problem.
when post office workers make more than most workers in the private sector in small towns there is an obvious problem

They not only make a lot more than similar work in the private sector, they get much better bennies, plus they can slack without being fired.
 
Quote from hippie:

They not only make a lot more than similar work in the private sector, they get much better bennies, plus they can slack without being fired.

Exactly. When trying to defend really bad state/Fed employees, people sometimes say "well, there are also bad employees and customer service in the private sector." The difference is that I won't be paying that rude McDonald's employee's salary the next 25 years nor his pension/benefits for life afterwards. The job security is almost bulletproof in many of those jobs (though perhaps less so in state/local government now with the budget problems).
 
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