School shooting in Maryland - School officer takes down shooter

[Tsing Tao]

I have a rifle and think they could kept legal. You just don't listen do you? Guess what? I'm a screaming progressive/liberal AND I like guns! Did I just make your small mind with the large amygdala explode?

But all handguns and any long guns with external magazines or internal magazines with more than 5 rounds should be banned. It's just common sense. No reason that one can't defend the home or hunt with that.

Every time Futurecurrents says "it's just common sense", I cringe.

The issue isn't whether you can defend a home with a gun with five bullets. You can. The issue is how you would get all the guns and millions upon millions of high capacity magazines off the street? You simply can't. And even if you had a magical solution for that, you can 3D print high capacity magazines quite easily!

Or did you plan on banning 3D printers as well?

 

[Poindexter]

I have a rifle and think they could kept legal.

"Think they could be kept legal"? Fuck off shitlib. The Constitution's above the law and it's not going anywhere.

... I'm a screaming progressive/liberal AND I like guns! ... But all handguns and any long guns with external magazines or internal magazines with more than 5 rounds should be banned. It's just common sense...

Right... because people who like guns exploit every opportunity to push arbitrary, unconstitutional restrictions on law abiding citizens that would do absolutely nothing to prevent further shootings.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The issue is how you would get all the guns and millions upon millions of high capacity magazines off the street? You simply can't.

And so the solution is to keep making and selling more of them?

And even if you had a magical solution for that, you can 3D print high capacity magazines quite easily!

Or did you plan on banning 3D printers as well?

You can also make bombs at home with household products. Doesn't make it legal, though. Are you trying to make a case for legalizing homemade bombs because laws can't prevent determined people from making them?

How far down the rabbit hole are you prepared to take this argument?

 

[Poindexter]

And so the solution is to keep making and selling more of them?


You can also make bombs at home with household products. Doesn't make it legal, though. Are you trying to make a case for legalizing homemade bombs because laws can't prevent determined people from making them?

How far down the rabbit hole are you prepared to take this argument?

Oh look... let's all disarm and relinquish our Constitutional rights because the late 50-something internet lurking fag hag from Canada thinks we should. Do you have any semblance of a life in the real world? Obviously not.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Oh look... let's all disarm and relinquish our Constitutional rights because the late 50-something internet lurking fag hag from Canada thinks we should. Do you have any semblance of a life in the real world? Obviously not.

I see that your brain transplant didn't quite take. Perhaps you should try again with a head of cabbage. It's worth a shot; it couldn't hurt.

 

[Tsing Tao]

And so the solution is to keep making and selling more of them?


You can also make bombs at home with household products. Doesn't make it legal, though. Are you trying to make a case for legalizing homemade bombs because laws can't prevent determined people from making them?

How far down the rabbit hole are you prepared to take this argument?

The difference in your off-the-wall bomb analogy is that there are millions of Americans who have a constitutional right to own firearms and don't commit any law violations in exercising that right. I know you have expressed your disdain with our constitution here in the US, but we rather like it and are proud of what it has established. We don't expect a Canadian to understand.

Putting a ban in place that has no effect other than to limit the vast majority (by far) of citizens that don't break the law is a bad law. Instead, focusing on what causes the few individuals to go off the rails is a better solution.

If someone wants to commit murder with a firearm, your ban prevents absolutely nothing. All the ban does is stop those who legally want to own firearms - but those aren't the people committing the murder. So you either don't care about the murders and only care about going after guns, or you are a complete fool.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

The difference in your off-the-wall bomb analogy is that there are millions of Americans who have a constitutional right to own firearms and don't commit any law violations in exercising that right.

No, read your own post that I quoted and responded to. The argument of yours that I was addressing was the one about prevalence. Please let's not shift back and forth as it suits you.

 

[futurecurrents]

The difference in your off-the-wall bomb analogy is that there are millions of Americans who have a constitutional right to own firearms and don't commit any law violations in exercising that right. I know you have expressed your disdain with our constitution here in the US, but we rather like it and are proud of what it has established. We don't expect a Canadian to understand.

Putting a ban in place that has no effect other than to limit the vast majority (by far) of citizens that don't break the law is a bad law. Instead, focusing on what causes the few individuals to go off the rails is a better solution.

If someone wants to commit murder with a firearm, your ban prevents absolutely nothing. All the ban does is stop those who legally want to own firearms - but those aren't the people committing the murder. So you either don't care about the murders and only care about going after guns, or you are a complete fool.

"Putting a ban in place that has no effect "

This is simply retarded illogical gun nut speak. See Australia. Why can't gun nuts understand the simple logic of less availablity of certain guns reduces the chances of some whack job getting them?


You start by making hand guns and "assault rifles" illegal. If you have one and are caught you go to jail. You would be surprised how that would motivate people to a) not buy one and b) turn them in if they have one. There can be some kind of buyback program.

And again

There is nothing unconstitutional about banning certain kinds of guns. We do it now.

So just stop with "unconstitutional" crap.

 

[futurecurrents]

Oh look... let's all disarm and relinquish our Constitutional rights because the late 50-something internet lurking fag hag from Canada thinks we should. Do you have any semblance of a life in the real world? Obviously not.

Who said anything about relinguishing (I'm surprised you can spell that) our constitutional rights from the old out of date constitution? Get a fucking grip.

 

[gwb-trading]

"There is nothing unconstitutional about banning certain kinds of guns. We do it now.

So just stop with "unconstitutional" crap."

I will give you credit for this point. It is something I have been saying all along.