OK, a very classical approach of looking across the past and observing what happened without worrying about the reasons why. That goes all the way back to Schabacker and as I recall Farley had lots of good examples. A bit too empirical for me. I want things that I can quantify on a quasi-verified theoretical basis. I quantify everything and do everything by the numbers. The curse of a technical education. And of an irrational belief that everything is rational. Best you stick with Joisy if you like hand cannons that much. Can't shoot 50 cals and Casulls indoors here. Something about maybe going through the walls. I was semi-seriously thinking of buying the FN Herstal Five-Seven immortalized by the raghead shrink, but you can't shoot that indoors, either. So for my next foray, after two more mouseguns, I'm gonna get a .44.