Scalping

thanks, i looked at those videos although that would not be what i term scalping..

that apepars to me to just be classic swing trading with money management.

it is interesting to note that the same concept would not have worked on the same chart earler as they rally was not high enough. Also, the trader talks about a good trade just starting to happen but then lowers his target to get out.

if he truely believed that there was a big trade happening he would have stayed. The extent to which a trader believes in the upside dictates their behavior.
 
PENSACOLA:

Anyone know who offers an *automated* trading program / Strategy for Market Making. I would like something to run on TradeStation like this.

Such as Buy on minus - Sell on plus.
Accumilate 500 max shares in 100 share increments.
Etc.

Thanks.

There are a number of firms who provide auto quoting software. I have never heard of anyone running a market making program in TradeStation. If you try to make markets using TradeStation chances are you will get picked off quite a bit due to latency. TS is fine and good, but to even hold a candle to the other firms making markets you need to have your server as close to the exchange as possible. I believe TS servers reside in Texas and Florida. Your order entry, although measured in seconds would be fast it would not be nearly as fast as the people your competing against whose order entry time is measured in nanoseconds.

I'm not going to make a judgement on your suggested strategy, but you need to think about who your competition would be. To name a few Citadel, Timber Hill, SIG.

These days there is a little more than buying bids and selling offers and hoping to capture a portion of the spread.

But, if you really want to look at software with auto quoting capabilities I would start by looking at RTS and Orc. Both good companies, but I prefer one in regards to functionality and usability, but prefer the other in regards to price. Not to mention there are a number of other programs that I am not familiar with. Also, these firms offer you a solution to auto quoting, but they do not provide you with a "strategy" so to speak. It's really only a means to an end. You have to come up with the "strategy" yourself.

For what it's worth somewhere on the CME site they used to have a list of about 10 different software companies that offered market making software.

Sorry about the long winded answer to your question.
 
Quote from greenrun:

I never seen successful scalper, never! Scalping is for newbies:)

gm GR,
You seem to have allowed yourself the luxury of closing your mind to matters that you have yet to understand.

regards
f9
 
thats is a terrific post.

i am long dedicated tradestation user but have run tick models on AAPL and indicies and tradestation will not work for active markets.

if you try to be very active then you are competting with Goldman and their desk with huge computers, super high speed lines. They will win that battle time and again.

Strategies need to reflect the environment you trade in.
 
Do any of you see any difference in success scalping based on direct-access systems vrs using the deep discounted online browser-based brokers? I have had some success scalping through E-trade Pro this year just using their "AUTO" routing rather than directing the order to ARCA. This keeps the roundturn expense at less than 20 bucks including all expenses. After two years with them the reliability of the platform has deteriorated to the point where I must switch to a non browser based direct access system. I'm finding that the fees will be MUCH higher and wonder if the $100-150 I typically take out of the market on each trade will be enough. Guess my understanding is that I really am just trading with E-trade each time I sell or buy a stock and they are able to make enough on my order-flow to pay all the extra fees I never see and still make money(in other words the $16 I pay for each round trip doesn't begin to cover all the real expenses associated with the trade........) but by selling my order flow they make all those hidden fees plus more.

My question then is: If I switch to a broker like Terranova where I will pay much more in all the fees(exchange data fee, exchange execution fees, trade activity fees etc.) do the better executions and data feeds enable one to be more profitable overall???
 
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Scalping is a trading style specializing in taking profits on small price changes, generally soon after a trade has been entered and has become profitable.
It requires a trader to have a strict exit strategy because one large loss could eliminate the many small gains that the trader has worked to obtain.
Having the right tools such as a live feed, a direct-access broker and the stamina to place many trades is required for this strategy to be successful.

Scalping is based on an assumption that most futures contracts will complete the first stage of a movement
(a contract will move in the desired direction for a brief time but where it goes from there is uncertain);
some of the contracts will cease to advance and others will continue. A scalper intends to take as many small profits as possible,
not allowing them to evaporate. Such an approach is the opposite of the "let your profits run" mindset,
which attempts to optimize positive trading results by increasing the size of winning trades while letting others reverse.
Scalping achieves results by increasing the number of winners and sacrificing the size of the wins.
It's not uncommon for a trader of a longer time frame to achieve positive results by winning only half or even less of his or her trades -
it's just that the wins are much bigger than the losses. A successful scalper, however,
will have a much higher ratio of winning trades versus losing ones while keeping profits roughly equal or slightly bigger than losses.

The main premises of scalping are:

Lessened exposure limits risk - A brief exposure to the market diminishes the probability of running into an adverse event.
Smaller moves are easier to obtain - A bigger imbalance of supply and demand is needed to warrant bigger price changes.
It is easier for a contract to make a 5 tick move than it is to make a 50 tick move.
Smaller moves are more frequent than larger ones - Even during relatively quiet markets there are many small movements that a scalper can exploit.
Scalping can be adopted as a primary or supplementary style of trading.

Primary Style:

A pure scalper will make a number of trades a day, between five and 10 to hundreds.
A scalper will mostly utilize one-minute charts since the time frame is small and he or she needs to see the setups
as they shape up as close to real time as possible. Automatic instant execution of orders is crucial to a scalper,
so a direct-access broker is the favored weapon of choice.

scalping can be seen as a kind of method of risk management.
Basically any trade can be turned into a scalp by taking a profit near the 1:1 risk/reward ratio.
This means that the size of profit taken equals the size of a stop dictated by the setup. If, for instance,
a trader enters his position for a scalp trade at 800 with an initial stop at 795,
then the risk is 5 ticks; this means a 1:1 risk/reward ratio will be reached at 805.

Scalp trades can be executed on both long and short sides. They can be done on breakouts or in range-bound trading.
Many traditional chart formations, such as M and W formations can be used for scalping.
The same can be said about technical indicators if a trader bases decisions on them.

A trader enters a position on any setup or signal from his system,
and closes the position as soon as the first exit signal is generated near the 1:1 risk/reward ratio

Conclusion:

Scalping can be very profitable for traders who decide to use it as a primary strategy or even those who use it to supplement other types of trading.
Adhering to the strict exit strategy is the key to making small profits compound into large gains.
The brief amount of market exposure and the frequency of small moves are key attributes that are the reasons why this strategy is popular among many types of traders.

kudos. Its always about risk management.
 
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