Scalping scalping scalping...

I dont really want to get into the details of this kind of stuff but you should always make sure there is a real buyer in the stock that you can identify. YOU dont want to the buyer yourself, because who are you going to sell to?


Quote from brazilianwonder:

Cocaine, what do you think about what I wrote? Is that something you usually do it yourself?
 
Thank you for a good talk, Cocaine. I know you and NYSEscalper are both experienced traders. And I am sincerely happy for you all that you can make excellent income daytrading. I wish everyone great success in 2008 & for many years to come.


Quote from Cocaine:

Fair enough Kitty, as long as you understand what goes on in this business. I got the impression from your other posts that you did not know just how shady people are in the trading game but you do seem to understand that based on the below post.

The process of placing orders to "test" the mkt is fair game though, I do it sometimes and in all my years of trading have only been filled a couple times. You do not have to do it, but I have found it to be a helpful technique to see who is around. If I do it, its always because I saw something and I never do it against what I perceive to be a big buyer or big seller, only in the direction of the action.
 
Quote from amitman:

that's really depends on your scalping style but it's obvious that's taking big sizes in and out very quickly without gettin' to much slippage is much easier with very liquid stocks. It's true though thats if your scalping style invovles with taking other people's stops out then you'll do better with less liquid stocks. I myself don't fell comfortable with making people lose money intentioally.

Amitman, I respectfully agree with you. And I believe there are good traders who can make a good living without using manipulative-technique. There are many honest traders out there, you seemed to be one of them. I highly respect you for that.
 
Quote from day7793:

Why do you want to join the lowest ranked profession on Wall street? You know you account may close in 6 months?

There are lots of scalpers and daytraders on this forum, mostly hunting on the downside of the market but they will not help you.

You mean to say the lowest ranked professional on Wall St are traders and traders who do scalping or are you talking about traders in this forum only as lowest ranked professionals?

Can you please tell me why you think like that...?
 
Good post lobster, takes guts to share like that. As far as women goes, we hear you, especially us older married guys. But I figure what I am gonna do with money: I don't want them to bury me with it all, gimme some glazed donut!!:D
 
Quote from Lobster:

It's probably not the most popular thing to say on here, but it is possible to make decent money by taking lots of $10 to $100 profits and a few $200 to $2k losses. You can average down once or twice. All you need is 2 prerequisites:

1. an edge
2. you have to be willing to cut that occasional loss at some point before it becomes disastrous; You can take it when it's pretty bad, when it's really, really bad, or when it's sickening. Just don't wait until it's a disaster.

Let me give you my net P/L for the past couple of weeks to illustrate my point:
2/11 +95.00 (had something else to do that day)
2/12 +622.10
2/13 +600.30 (took a pretty bad loss, around $300)
2/14 +795.70
2/15 +876.20
2/19 +407.65 (took a really bad loss, $600)
2/20 +858.87
2/21 +914.50
2/22 -375.00 (this loss was sickening, in excess of $1000)

Let me tell you about the sickening loss, which was my second one I suffered this year: When the rumor came out, I happened to be long, made about $100, then started fading the rally: Made another $100, then got burned.

Did I know about the danger in Friday afternoon rallies (lack of standing orders)? Yes.
Did it keep me from fading this one? No.
Do I look pretty stupid now? Yes.
If a similar situation presented itself in the future, would I make the same mistake again? Honestly, I probably would.

Here's the point I'm trying to make: There will always be people (occasionally including yourself) who think you are stupid for trading a certain way. This is irrelevant.

When you take a huge loss, sometimes you will think to yourself, "I did what seemed like the right thing to do, but the market still didn't go my way." Other times you will think, "I am such a moron for even entering this trade; I should have known better; at least I should have taken the loss sooner." All this is also irrelevant.

The only thing that matters (besides an overall edge) is that you take that loss before it wipes you out and move on.

Since I'm already in the confessional, let me tell you my way of making sure this happens: I withdraw my profits frequently and keep my trading account small at all times. (As you may have guessed by now, I'm a 1 lot piker; the above figures are from my $10k account [well, $16k at the moment; it's getting ripe for a withdrawal].)

I started trading with $50k in 2001, and for a couple of years, I kept losing tiny amounts while trying to figure out what I was doing, gradually bringing my account down below $30k. At some point a few years ago, I found my edge and still traded cautiously, refining said edge. Fast forward to early 2006, my account is somewhere in the $90k range. (I had never made any withdrawals or deposits after 2001.) I start thinking to myself, "This sucks. Being a full time trader is boring." So I start gambling, mainly in crude oil futures, which I have no clue about.

By September of 2006 my account is down to $20k. So I decide to quit and get a job. I go short ZB and leave the account account alone while I enjoy my new found carreer strapped into a cubicle at a large corporation, answering phone calls from irate customers. (Well, in the beginning, I took calls from all kinds of customers, until they promoted me to the irate queue.) In the summer of 2007, my trading account is down below $8k, so I close out that ZB position and start scalping on my days off. Lo and behold, it's much easier to make 100% in a $10k account than 15% in a $70k one. You're not tempted to fuck around when your back is to the wall. You simply can't afford to ride your losers for too long.

After a few months, even though I don't like to quit, it became sort of a no-brainer: I would spend 40 hours (Saturdays through Wednesdays) making $500 a week, still having to concentrate pretty much the entire time just to do an adequate job in the call center. Then on my "weekend", Thursday and Friday, I would make a grand or two scalping futures. The first couple of months, I just kept telling myself, "You've been lucky so far, the pendulum may swing the other way next weekend." But after a while, and after having made about 300% in my tiny account, I could no longer close my eyes to the truth. So I quit my day job and went back to full time trading.

It's funny how it all seems to boil down to a struggle with my own ego: not just trading, but also by J.O.B. Ultimately I had to decide between being adequate, but not perfect on the phone, arguing over $100 billing issues, or being an adequate, but not a really good trader. If they had just stroked my ego a little bit more at my day job, I probably wouldn't ever have quit, but the way it was, nobody (including myself) really appreciated the work I was doing there or at home, so I decided to optimize by income.

The reason I started tallying my daily P/L a couple of weeks ago is that I am considering growing my account and trade size. (To tell you the truth, I don't really know what to do with all the cash I keep withdrawing. I can't get myself to frivolously waste it, and I don't believe in saving fiat money for the long term. The only "investment vehicles" I believe in are precious metals, but I'm already way over exposed. I do like women, but after I realized that the only thing you can really buy from them is the physical act itself, I sort of lost interest in all that crap as well. Who needs to touch them and their germs if you can look at them for free on the Internet?)

To the OP: Rather than apologizing for this off topic post, let me offer you this consideration: Your situation may have more to do with mine than you might want to admit to yourself.





Nice post, When a person has their back to the wall how they respond will show you their character. Seems like you got it now from reading your post. My only question is how did you cover the cost of living and did you get burried in debt?





Good Luck man
 
Quote from stock777:

This is a funny ass thread.

Really out of place , since most discussions here have zero redeeming value.


Keep it up.



I know what you are talking about


"So many experts, so little talent"
 
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