Scalping BAC vs Buying ES

Real Money

Real Money

I'd like to ask a question about scalping BAC in lieu of ES.

Let's say I want to scalp a stock like BAC for size. BAC closed at $32.93 so lets assume I have portfolio margin and I'm getting 6:1 on longs. Assume I have a 'commision free' broker and my account is $125,000.

Then, I get the edge on the SPX through my proprietary indicator package.

Alright, I'm gonna lever this all the way so 20,000 shares. This is $658,600 notional exposure. (leaves me with about $15,000 in free margin).

So, I hit the market with a market order (or marketable limit order).

I'm theoretically in and out for just exchange fee's? If I traded ES with a comparable amount, it would run me 16 bucks in commission's plus spread. Do this enough times in a day and the commissions add up.

Anybody have experience doing stuff like this wanna compare the two?
 
Real Money said:
I'd like to ask a question about scalping BAC in lieu of ES.

Let's say I want to scalp a stock like BAC for size. BAC closed at $32.93 so lets assume I have portfolio margin and I'm getting 6:1 on longs. Assume I have a 'commision free' broker and my account is $125,000.

Then, I get the edge on the SPX through my proprietary indicator package.

Alright, I'm gonna lever this all the way so 20,000 shares. This is $658,600 notional exposure. (leaves me with about $15,000 in free margin).

So, I hit the market with a market order (or marketable limit order).

I'm theoretically in and out for just exchange fee's? If I traded ES with a comparable amount, it would run me 16 bucks in commission's plus spread. Do this enough times in a day and the commissions add up.

Anybody have experience doing stuff like this wanna compare the two?
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Do you have an edge in trading BAC? Is that edge greater than ES?

I've switched from trading futures to trading/scalping equities almost exclusively due to recent zero commissions. But also because I feel I have a better edge.

I scalped lower priced stocks than BAC with decent size from 10K-60K shares a clip. And I love the $0 comm. Just paying the SEC fees. ka-ching.
 
Is it possible to trade a US stock like APPL on a one minute chart ?
Has anyone done it?
Do you feel that it is more worthwhile ( higher hit rate) than trading the Dow Index for example?
 
trader99 said:
Do you have an edge in trading BAC? Is that edge greater than ES?
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No. I don't have an edge on any particular name in the index.

My edge involves the rate and index futures.

Actually, I like the idea of scalping a liquid issue but I don't think I will ever move away from futures now. I am too used to the leverage. The idea of being at full margin with 600k of exposure is just too restrictive. I wish that you could lever cash equities much more than RegT or PM will allow. It seems like I will never be a stock trader.

Thanks for the comment. It seems like I would have to have a huge account before scalping stocks would become a viable enterprise.
 
I'm not a scalper really. If I scalp it will be 2 or 3, maybe 4 ticks on ES. With my system I can get more than that if I wait for a setup.

But, it depends. I have to watch the ultra bond rate futures and the ES. Sometimes I should be trading the rates, sometimes the ES, or sometimes it's a spread using both at the same time. Hard to calculate a R:R when you are trading more than one instrument at a time.
 
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