"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Do you scale out of positions?

  • I always scale out

    Votes: 113 14.1%
  • I scale out most of the time

    Votes: 228 28.5%
  • Most of the time, I do not scale out

    Votes: 189 23.6%
  • I never scale out

    Votes: 270 33.8%

  • Total voters
    800
Quote from traderNik:

AHA!!!!

So if you put a trade on and then take half off when a profit is available, that's not scaling out, it's 'two trades'!!!

600 pages and in the end you were saying nothing at all. At least you have the decency to call what you are saying 'assertion'. It is truly that.

No. You have not been paying any attention. When someone takes a trade, it should be let run to maturity, with full position period.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

No. You have not been paying any attention. When someone takes a trade, it should be let run to maturity, with full position period.

Not period..just your opinion and no more than that
 
Quote from taowave:

Not period..just your opinion and no more than that

No, it is mathematical fact. By not scaling out. a trader will reap larger rewards than the trader who is scaling out.
 
Quote from kiwi_trader:

But you've got to give him Obsession Points for carrying on this argument so so long.

What I try to to do is pass on items that I have already learned. This is so that a newer trader may benefit from my experience free of charge. There is no argument here, only a statement of facts.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

No, it is mathematical fact. By not scaling out. a trader will reap larger rewards than the trader who is scaling out.

Pure opinion/assertion based on a false premise - that is, that the extent of a move can be determined before a trade is put on. It is obvious to anyone who has actually traded the markets that it's impossible to know beforehand what the markets will do. It is also a mathematical fact that if a trader is always on the right side of the markets, he will make more money than a trader who is sometimes on the wrong side of the markets. The premise of this thread is about as useful as that.

B1S2 was forced to claim that this knowledge of the future was the basis for his assertion. I am not going to search back through the thread to cite the post.

There are plenty of systems that rely on scaling out in order to achieve their performance targets. These systems are used by the biggest trading companies on the planet. Trading in and out of a position is a common technique. To suggest that it is somehow 'wrong' is to suggest that it is possible to make the optimal decision in every single situation. Trading is all about understanding that this is impossible, and developing the discipline/technique to implement decisions which mechanically protect capital when the trader is wrong, and ensure profit when the outcome is in question.
 
It is my belief that unless you have been fortunate enough to devise a trading system with precise mathematical and quantifiable rules, you will always succumb to scaling out. When you scale out, it is because you have not found the proper rules to keep you in a trade or position. Certain events should occur before starting or ending a trade or position and until those rules or events are solidified, you will have to resort to scaling out which I agree is inferior behavior as well. But without a decisive rule set, it is all most have to rely on to achieve profits.
 
I'm amazed at how long this thread has been going on. There is nothing that can be proven, and the thread title is fallacious at best.

However, apparently there is something amusing about it all.


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Quote from wave:

It is my belief that unless you have been fortunate enough to devise a trading system with precise mathematical and quantifiable rules, you will always succumb to scaling out.

I agree, although I would not use the word 'succumb'. If you have not developed a system with those precise rules, scaling out is optimal behaviour.

It makes no sense to hold up an idealized model for trading behaviour and say 'If you don't do this, you are inferior'. This has no meaning other than to point out that there is a theoretically perfect way to act if one had advance knowledge of the future.
 
Quote from wave:

It is my belief that unless you have been fortunate enough to devise a trading system with precise mathematical and quantifiable rules, you will always succumb to scaling out. When you scale out, it is because you have not found the proper rules to keep you in a trade or position. Certain events should occur before starting or ending a trade or position and until those rules or events are solidified, you will have to resort to scaling out which I agree is inferior behavior as well. But without a decisive rule set, it is all most have to rely on to achieve profits.
Well said!
 
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