"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Do you scale out of positions?

  • I always scale out

    Votes: 113 14.1%
  • I scale out most of the time

    Votes: 228 28.5%
  • Most of the time, I do not scale out

    Votes: 189 23.6%
  • I never scale out

    Votes: 270 33.8%

  • Total voters
    800
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Now if you really consider it the same trade and there is a good chance of increased gain, then none should be sold.

I agree with this statement if your using one strategy and one direction only.

:cool:

Mark
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Decades of experience ( and simple math) tell me which is better and it is staying in trades until reversal/maturity.

Except that your simple math is incorrect, as I pointed out months ago.

TNG
 
Quote from NihabaAshi:

For example, lets say you get a Long signal in ES at 1438.00 and you have a profit target at anything above 1450.00

However, lets say you get another trade signal to go Short after price hit 1447.00

Reality is this, had you not been Long, you would be opening a Short position around 1447.00

Now you need to convince yourself why you would ignore your Short signal and keep your Long position in hope of riding it to its maturity???

* Do you dump it all because you don't want to ignore your strategy signals?

* Do you scale out most of the position and keep some to see if it reaches its maturity???

* Do you reverse your Long position into a Short position even though you didn't let the Long attempt the 1450.00 price level???

My point, there are different reasons why to scale out and different reasons why not to scale out.

Backtest as many of these different situations to see which is more suitable/profitable even though it may not be sutiable/profitable for someone else that's using a different strategy and/or different trading style.

Simply, learn when to exploit both and you'll be a better trader because there will be market conditions where one is superior than the other and vice versa.

Mark

Finally, the voice of reason. Nothing in trading is black or white.
 
<i>"Finally, the voice of reason. Nothing in trading is black or white."</i>

I may have said this +/- 50 pages ago here, but bears repeating. There is a very important factor in "emotional comfort" when it comes to real-time profitable trading.

If a trader has good reason to manage trades in less than optimal way BUT still profitable expectancy, that will have better real-time results than trying to do something too uncomfortable to manage.

In other words, holding for the gold in a trade may work out much better thru time on paper, but if a trader can make 1/2 the total gains with partial exits AND is much more comfortable with that style, do it.

I've written enough mechanical systems to know that varying the exit strategy creates many different profitable results. Key word is "profitable". Whatever it takes to make that happen in the real world, so be it.

Once that part is mastered, traders who desire to seek maximum efficiency of trade management can explore & adjust from there. What is most optimal over time on the scale does not always equate to what is most possible for real traders to execute in real time, with real money.
 
There is a fairly neat part of this discussion and that involves resolution to questions that I had had in my younger years. --I used to sit and look at charts and wonder the following--"Why would I be able to make money when everyone is looking at the same charts"-- I finally decided not to worry about that and just continue with my method. Over time, I have been able to see why I am able to do this. Most people are not able to get trading down to it's bare simplicity which is to cut losses short and ride the winners for as long as they can. When presented with this idea, they are reluctant to go along with it. This is probably due to ideas that you have to be smart or it can't be that simple etc. It is at this juncture that the crux of trading lies. Emotional attachment to trades etc. or to being "right" or greedy, by trying to catch every turn-- Or by being greedy and overextending to where you have to feel an emotional lift and take profits are flaws. My ability to avoid these pitfalls is the reason that I am successful and will continue to be for a very long time. I am one of the few that can reap the full benefits of the markets over a long period of time and get trading right down to it's simplest, which is where it should have always been. :)
 
Quote from austinp:

I may have said this +/- 50 pages ago here, but bears repeating. There is a very important factor in "emotional comfort" when it comes to real-time profitable trading.

If a trader has good reason to manage trades in less than optimal way BUT still profitable expectancy, that will have better real-time results than trying to do something too uncomfortable to manage.

In other words, holding for the gold in a trade may work out much better thru time on paper, but if a trader can make 1/2 the total gains with partial exits AND is much more comfortable with that style, do it.

I've written enough mechanical systems to know that varying the exit strategy creates many different profitable results. Key word is "profitable". Whatever it takes to make that happen in the real world, so be it.
I agree completely with what you wrote here.

In fact I find that I can mentally handle a larger trade size if I utilize a non-optimal scaling out strategy, so if you factor in my imperfections then scaling out actually is optimal for me.

However if I were a trading machine (without any emotion) I am quite sure that I would never scale out because it is the logical decision.
 
Quote from austinp:

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In other words, holding for the gold in a trade may work out much better thru time on paper, but if a trader can make 1/2 the total gains with partial exits AND is much more comfortable with that style, do it.

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Agree with most of this----Didn't say you couldn't make money scaling out, I just said it's inferior to not scaling out. It is not the correct way to trade, but can be profitable. Thank you for your contribution!


--Again the word comfortable (emotion--scared etc).
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

There is a fairly neat part of this discussion and that involves resolution to questions that I had had in my younger years. --I used to sit and look at charts and wonder the following--"Why would I be able to make money when everyone is looking at the same charts"-- I finally decided not to worry about that and just continue with my method. Over time, I have been able to see why I am able to do this. Most people are not able to get trading down to it's bare simplicity which is to cut losses short and ride the winners for as long as they can. When presented with this idea, they are reluctant to go along with it. This is probably due to ideas that you have to be smart or it can't be that simple etc. It is at this juncture that the crux of trading lies. Emotional attachment to trades etc. or to being "right" or greedy, by trying to catch every turn-- Or by being greedy and overextending to where you have to feel an emotional lift and take profits are flaws. My ability to avoid these pitfalls is the reason that I am successful and will continue to be for a very long time. I am one of the few that can reap the full benefits of the markets over a long period of time and get trading right down to it's simplest, which is where it should have always been. :)

Amen.
 
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