Saylor: Tax That!

Another lie, there is no bug, it all becomes clear now: When one lies a lot then one sees liars all around one.

The only thing this guy lives up to his full potential is to be a genuinely unpleasant human being who is so concerned about his ego and ivy league degree that he must still talk about after years attaining it. Speaking of small accomplishments in life when the one great accomplishment has to be elevated at any given opportunity.

You have me blocked but I can see your posts... how does that work?
 
She had 3rd degree burns and needed skin grafts. She tried to settle for 20k and mcdonalds refused. Most of the money was punitive for McDonalds knowing they were burning people by making the coffee super hot (close to boiling).

There are dumb people who do dumb things. The safety labels on everything aren't because the masses are stupid. It's because our system rewards lawyers for frivolous lawsuits.

I probably see a person driving in the left hand lane at less than the speedlimit a few times a year. That individual is annoying. I assumed you meant someone driving at the speed limit because that does frustrate me too. My apologies if I misconstrued what you said.

2000 years ago, you (and i) would likely be cheering on those gladiators as they slaughtered eachother. You are right: as a people we aren't much different from 2000 years ago. Our society is very differentm but you and i as people aren't different from the Roman spectators. You and I are them. It's pretentious to think we aren't. The only thing different is the society in which we live.



The jury awarded her $3M because she spilled coffee on herself. I was aware that the award was brought down later, but that doesn't matter. It's still the case that some jury was assembled, which represents a random (although somewhat biased sample as productive people have a bigger incentive to get out of jury duty and it's actually pretty easy for a half-way competent person not to get selected for a jury) sample of the population, and decided that someone who spilled coffee on herself should be given $3M. It wasn't just one crazy person who decided that, but a large group of people came to that decision. Because of that, we now have warning labels on everything for what should be common sense.



When you try to base your argument on an assertion of which everyone here can see is speculative, you really undermine your argument. You have no basis for claiming that I want to break the law by speeding. That's not the case. When the speed limit is 55, someone should not be going 45 mph in the left lane. This guy explains in more detail:


I understand the privilege / luck argument. Yes, outcomes are influenced by initial conditions. I was certainly lucky to have a good childhood and loving parents who did what they were supposed to do as good parents. But I and many others made sacrifices in the short-term to improve the long-term. I did not spend Friday nights in the library studying for fun while most people were out enjoying the recreational parts of college life. That's where the "you didn't build that" and the "you would all be slobs if you had bad parents and poor education" arguments fall apart. The counter-examples are the Hunter Bidens of the world, those who were born in privilege (although he likely was missing the good parents part...) were given everything and turned out to be reprobates. It's not the case that we're really just all the same, we just have differing levels of luck, it's the choices we make which are based on the soul / core of the individual's value system that really matters. Someone who is willing to run into a burning building after a 747 flew into it to save others is an outlier. Someone who goes off to war to defend their country is an outlier. Someone who is willing to get on a boat and go off to start a life in another country which they have never seen and leave behind family they will never see again is an outlier. Most people don't do that.

Anyhow, if none of those examples above convinced you, consider that just 2000 years ago, colosseums full of people would gather to watch other humans get eaten alive by animals. Or watch other human gladiators fight to the death. That was for entertainment. That's what the masses did for entertainment. And that was only 2000 years ago. On an evolutionary time scale, that's not a significant amount of time. So we're really not that much different than we were back then. My dad once told me, "The masses of men live lives of quiet desperation". He was quoting Henry David Thoreau. Very true.

My dad once told me, "The masses of men live lives of quiet desperation".

Isn't that the English way? :)

edit: i watched the video. The guy is an example of my problem with the pretentious statements about the masses. But I like his car videos.
 
...You have no basis for claiming that I want to break the law by speeding. That's not the case. When the speed limit is 55, someone should not be going 45 mph in the left lane. This guy explains in more detail...

I watched more than half of that video before I had to turn it off, because the driver is so off the mark on his analysis that I think he has been driving for maybe 5 years tops. So basically zero experience on the road.

When the speed limit is 55, someone should not be going more than 55 in the left lane, or any other lane. And the guy admits that he was breaking the law in the left lane to pass somebody, right as he goes past a speed trap. Not to mention his fucking retarded notion that it is illegal to use the left lane for anything other than passing, or that one should pass a person in the middle lane by crossing from right lane to left and then back, when the right lane is clear sailing ahead of you.

Please never use that video to make a point about breaking driving laws ever again. It's a bad look.
 
She had 3rd degree burns and needed skin grafts. She tried to settle for 20k and mcdonalds refused. Most of the money was punitive for McDonalds knowing they were burning people by making the coffee super hot (close to boiling).

There are dumb people who do dumb things. The safety labels on everything aren't because the masses are stupid. It's because our system rewards lawyers for frivolous lawsuits.

If McDonalds was consistently and intentionally making the coffee too hot for consumption, then there's a market solution for that...people would simply stop buying McDonalds coffee. If I go to Starbucks, buy a coffee and then immediately pour it on my lap (and let's assume that I'm not wearing much clothing), it will do some damage. Could easily cause 3rd degree burns. The solution: be careful and don't pour coffee on yourself. If the cashier accidently spilled coffee on a customer, then ok, totally different story and in that case McDonalds would be liable. When you assign blame to manufacturers due to people using products incorrectly, it just increases the cost of the product. The left, is currently trying to do this in some states by holding gun manufacturers liable for how people (not necessarily even people who bought the gun) use the product. Ultimately their goal is to drive up the cost of guns by driving manufactures out of business or at least drive up the cost of guns. I agree with you on the frivolous lawsuit comment.

I probably see a person driving in the left hand lane at less than the speedlimit a few times a year. That individual is annoying. I assumed you meant someone driving at the speed limit because that does frustrate me too. My apologies if I misconstrued what you said.

You're actually lucky or don't drive much if you only see a person blocking the left lane a few times a year. In Portland, Oregon, I see it all the time. But then again, considering the policies that the voters here support, that's not surprising.

2000 years ago, you (and i) would likely be cheering on those gladiators as they slaughtered eachother. You are right: as a people we aren't much different from 2000 years ago. Our society is very differentm but you and i as people aren't different from the Roman spectators. You and I are them. It's pretentious to think we aren't. The only thing different is the society in which we live.

You're basically arguing for determinism. How far are you willing to take that argument? So if we were German employees during the 1940s, would we be operating the ovens and organizing people into camps? How one acts depends highly on his/her belief and value system. 2000 years ago, we would not be the same people that we are today including our beliefs on morality. If we're talking sometime before the time of Christ, I certainly would not have been a Christian. But that aside, groups of people behave different than individuals. During the protests of 2020, bad behavior was enabled by the mob. I doubt one person in isolation would attack a cop or loot a Macy's due to fear of consequences or even just reputation as frequently as was happening two summers ago during the BLM riots. But when you can mask up and do it under the cover of a mob, suddenly people feel empowered to do bad things that they would never do alone. I suspect the crowds watching people getting eaten by wild animals example is the same. I doubt a peasant ever went to a Roman guarding a prison and asked to see one of the prisoners eaten by a wild animal. Although the whole premise of feeding criminals to wild animals was done as a deterrent to challenging the ruling power marketed as preserving law and order (same as done in North Korea today). Anyhow regardless of the purpose, it's still the case that you had the masses packing colosseums watching people getting eaten alive for entertainment.

My dad once told me, "The masses of men live lives of quiet desperation".

Isn't that the English way? :)

edit: i watched the video. The guy is an example of my problem with the pretentious statements about the masses. But I like his car videos.

His point wasn't just that it's annoying when a slow driver blocks the left lane. His point was that lane rules were designed for safety and efficient flow of traffic. If you don't adhere to them, you not only unnecessarily impede the flow of traffic, but also increase the risk for everyone else on the road (by causing more lane changes and opportunities for collision as well as more instances where cars are traveling very different rates of speed). And it's not just about driving. If people are that careless and lazy when operating a 2+ ton vehicle traveling at 60+ mph...why would they be any more diligent with other less dangerous tasks?
 
There are many experiments (mostly
Conducted in the 1960s when it was okay to psychologically torture subjects) that indicate we’d likely be operating the ovens in those scenarios. It’s not determinism. It’s psychology. Some will rebel but most of us won’t. And my point is that you and I are likely going to be ones that won’t.
I bet there are things you do now that everyone else does and “an enlightened” person would say is dumb.



If McDonalds was consistently and intentionally making the coffee too hot for consumption, then there's a market solution for that...people would simply stop buying McDonalds coffee. If I go to Starbucks, buy a coffee and then immediately pour it on my lap (and let's assume that I'm not wearing much clothing), it will do some damage. Could easily cause 3rd degree burns. The solution: be careful and don't pour coffee on yourself. If the cashier accidently spilled coffee on a customer, then ok, totally different story and in that case McDonalds would be liable. When you assign blame to manufacturers due to people using products incorrectly, it just increases the cost of the product. The left, is currently trying to do this in some states by holding gun manufacturers liable for how people (not necessarily even people who bought the gun) use the product. Ultimately their goal is to drive up the cost of guns by driving manufactures out of business or at least drive up the cost of guns. I agree with you on the frivolous lawsuit comment.



You're actually lucky or don't drive much if you only see a person blocking the left lane a few times a year. In Portland, Oregon, I see it all the time. But then again, considering the policies that the voters here support, that's not surprising.



You're basically arguing for determinism. How far are you willing to take that argument? So if we were German employees during the 1940s, would we be operating the ovens and organizing people into camps? How one acts depends highly on his/her belief and value system. 2000 years ago, we would not be the same people that we are today including our beliefs on morality. If we're talking sometime before the time of Christ, I certainly would not have been a Christian. But that aside, groups of people behave different than individuals. During the protests of 2020, bad behavior was enabled by the mob. I doubt one person in isolation would attack a cop or loot a Macy's due to fear of consequences or even just reputation as frequently as was happening two summers ago during the BLM riots. But when you can mask up and do it under the cover of a mob, suddenly people feel empowered to do bad things that they would never do alone. I suspect the crowds watching people getting eaten by wild animals example is the same. I doubt a peasant ever went to a Roman guarding a prison and asked to see one of the prisoners eaten by a wild animal. Although the whole premise of feeding criminals to wild animals was done as a deterrent to challenging the ruling power marketed as preserving law and order (same as done in North Korea today). Anyhow regardless of the purpose, it's still the case that you had the masses packing colosseums watching people getting eaten alive for entertainment.

My dad once told me, "The masses of men live lives of quiet desperation".

Isn't that the English way? :)



His point wasn't just that it's annoying when a slow driver blocks the left lane. His point was that lane rules were designed for safety and efficient flow of traffic. If you don't adhere to them, you not only unnecessarily impede the flow of traffic, but also increase the risk for everyone else on the road (by causing more lane changes and opportunities for collision as well as more instances where cars are traveling very different rates of speed). And it's not just about driving. If people are that careless and lazy when operating a 2+ ton vehicle traveling at 60+ mph...why would they be any more diligent with other less dangerous tasks?
 
There are many experiments (mostly
Conducted in the 1960s when it was okay to psychologically torture subjects) that indicate we’d likely be operating the ovens in those scenarios. It’s not determinism. It’s psychology. Some will rebel but most of us won’t. And my point is that you and I are likely going to be ones that won’t.

Nah, I strongly disagree at least for the Nazi example. In order to do that day after day, you would have to have absolutely zero respect for other human life. You would have to have zero compassion for the horrific suffering and torture of innocent humans. If you claim that, yah, but you wouldn't be the same person. Then you run into determinism.

I bet there are things you do now that everyone else does and “an enlightened” person would say is dumb.

Probably. Eating meat as an example. I could see how humans may some day look back and wonder how humans could eat meat similar to how I wonder how my cat could ever eat a bird or a mouse raw. Sure there's areas where I can improve (and actually I have been improving that...I've improved my diet and reduced my meat intake quite a lot over the past several years). I could exercise more. I could get more sleep. But I still actively try to become a better person. The whole "quiet quitting" example seeks to make a virtue out of settling. How come people don't apply the same virtue to dating? I don't see any meme about people bragging about settling. Maybe the quiet quitting meme is really rooted in childish narcissism and victimhood -- people who see themselves as being too good for the jobs they are in and taken advantage of by their employers, but lack the skills or motivation to get something better. We're not talking about one or two losers. We're talking about a lot of people.
 
And I think he and many others advocate for paying for your child's education yourself. Why does "society" have to pay for it? If I choose not to have kids, why do I have to pay for the education of others' offspring? It made sense in small agrarian monocultures like in Scandinavia where everyone was putting in effort, being idle was seen as being worthless.
Because education isn't just about schools. It's more about our future. When I see these doting idiots on TV, who I'm certain carry their heads as mere decorations, I am all for paying taxes for education whether I have kids or not. Seriously.
 
Because education isn't just about schools. It's more about our future. When I see these doting idiots on TV, who I'm certain carry their heads as mere decorations, I am all for paying taxes for education whether I have kids or not. Seriously.

I'm not talking about basic education here, I'm talking about anything above high school level. I don't feel strongly about this as much as the various forms of financial support for mothers. I know some who had a number of kids in a row and didn't work for some 6 years while receiving the same amount that was their salary. This in a country where many cannot afford proper dental care.
 
I'm not talking about basic education here, I'm talking about anything above high school level. I don't feel strongly about this as much as the various forms of financial support for mothers. I know some who had a number of kids in a row and didn't work for some 6 years while receiving the same amount that was their salary. This in a country where many cannot afford proper dental care.
Totally agree. Higher education at one time was considered a luxury, only given to those who put in the time and effort. Now EVERYONE is heading off to college. They knew exactly what they were getting, so government should not be supplementing these freeloaders.
 
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Look up the milgrim experiments, the wave (movie based on a true story), and the Stanford prison experiment.

There are less psychological torturous ones where they will have subjects walk into an elevator which is full with people facing backwards. The vast majority of subjects will turn around.

Here’s a link to the wave:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)



Nah, I strongly disagree at least for the Nazi example. In order to do that day after day, you would have to have absolutely zero respect for other human life. You would have to have zero compassion for the horrific suffering and torture of innocent humans. If you claim that, yah, but you wouldn't be the same person. Then you run into determinism.



Probably. Eating meat as an example. I could see how humans may some day look back and wonder how humans could eat meat similar to how I wonder how my cat could ever eat a bird or a mouse raw. Sure there's areas where I can improve (and actually I have been improving that...I've improved my diet and reduced my meat intake quite a lot over the past several years). I could exercise more. I could get more sleep. But I still actively try to become a better person. The whole "quiet quitting" example seeks to make a virtue out of settling. How come people don't apply the same virtue to dating? I don't see any meme about people bragging about settling. Maybe the quiet quitting meme is really rooted in childish narcissism and victimhood -- people who see themselves as being too good for the jobs they are in and taken advantage of by their employers, but lack the skills or motivation to get something better. We're not talking about one or two losers. We're talking about a lot of people.
 
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