Saylor: Tax That!

[M.W.]

Are you starting again with personal insults?

Otherwise you use straw man arguments. The idea that those who choose not to have kids should move to a shitty part of town where school taxes are lower is preposterous. School taxes make up an otherwise very small proportion of the total cost allocated to all not just parents.

Single-adult homes now make up 30% in the US. Even among adults 55 and older 19% are childless. The rate is much higher among younger adults. Those are life choices people make. Why do we need to pay for families who breed especially many children, or better question, why don't they have to pay a surtax. Some countries go as far as even paying handouts to families with kids, the more kids the higher the payout. And no, my neighborhood is not safer with many kids, nor is it better or more pleasant. In fact most kids are incredibly annoying, uneducated, and most likely will be mediocre participants in society. If parents had to pay for their own children then perhaps many would rather not have children in the first place which is a good thing for everyone involved.

I’m sorry if you are barren or impotent and can’t have kids.

 

[newwurldmn]

We can probably Spend the money more effectively but it doesn’t change the value of public education and the taxes that fund it.

We could throw 50% more money at our public education system and I suspect the results would be the same. It all comes down to the family structure. Stupid lazy parents have stupid lazy kids. All the money in the world won't fix that.


The US spends more on education than any other country, but students lag behind academically. Here's how much other countries spend and how well their students perform.
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• The US spends over $700 billion on public education, yet it lags behind most other industrialized countries in key measurements of academic success.
• The curriculums, teaching styles, and class structure of schools differ widely all around the world.
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It seems like hardly a week goes by in the US without some news of school budget cuts, underfunded classrooms, or teachers forced to pay out of pocket for school supplies. With all that in mind, it might be surprising that the US education system has so many woes despite spending so massively.

In 2017, the US spent $12,800 per student on public education, which is the second-highest amount spent per student of any country in the world. But when it comes to total spending, the comparison isn't remotely close. According to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, the US spent over $700 billion on public education in 2017 alone. To put that in perspective, you could add up the total GDP of Finland and Vietnam and you still wouldn't hit the amount the US spends on education.

But despite all that spending, the US has struggled. Pew Research from 2017 found the US ranked 38th in math and 24th in science when compared against 71 other countries. Only two decades prior, the US's education system ranked 6th internationally.

 

[M.W.]

You narrowed the entire issue to funding of public education when this is just a small part of the total cost to society. Nobody questioned good education as long as the payers of it are the actual beneficiaries. You moved the goal posts again. If you so strongly believe in the benefits of making everyone pay for others' children then you must be ecstatic about seeing your tax dollars used for student loan forgiveness.

We can probably Spend the money more effectively but it doesn’t change the value of public education and the taxes that fund it.

 

[newwurldmn]

I thought personal insults were okay after you accused me of hiring escorts and denigrated my job without actually knowing what I did.

I know you think poorly of the “masses.” It’s one of the ways you get to feel superior. Since people don’t care about their kids wellbeing, is it better to have abandoned children roaming the streets begging and stealing? That experiential has not faired well in areas like Africa, India, Brazil, etc.

America will see how parents behave about having kids now that abortions are illegal. There is empirical evidence that in 20 years those states will become shitholes.

We were specifically talking about taxes for education and health care. Have we broadened the scope to other child suppport like food programs? I suspect that’s a more difficult position to hold unless you are a hardcore libertarian but that would run counter to your arguments about dividends - lying clearly hasn’t stopped you before.

Are you starting again with personal insults?

Otherwise you use straw man arguments. The idea that those who choose not to have kids should move to a shitty part of town where school taxes are lower is preposterous. School taxes make up an otherwise very small proportion of the total cost allocated to all not just parents.

Single-adult homes now make up 30% in the US. Even among adults 55 and older 19% are childless. The rate is much higher among younger adults. Those are life choices people make. Why do we need to pay for families who breed especially many children, or better question, why don't they have to pay a surtax. Some countries go as far as even paying handouts to families with kids, the more kids the higher the payout. And no, my neighborhood is not safer with many kids, nor is it better or more pleasant. In fact most kids are incredibly annoying, uneducated, and most likely will be mediocre participants in society. If parents had to pay for their own children then perhaps many would rather not have children in the first place which is a good thing for everyone involved.

 

[M.W.]

Show me where I accused you of hiring escorts. I have never done this. Now I understand your plenty misunderstandings.

I simply don't want to pay for others' kids. I want to pay for my own kids. If others can't afford to pay for their own kids then they should not have any. Simple as that. Whether that includes all cost or just the cost of education is irrelevant in that context.

I never lied to anyone in this forum ever. I would never lie to you especially, you have a way too fragile ego to be lied to.

And corresponding with you is getting really cumbersome. I give you a few minutes to read this reply then you will be blocked by me. I wasted enough time with you after I realized that you are not interested in exchanging ideas or thoughts but only insults.

I thought personal insults were okay after you accused me of hiring escorts and denigrated my job without actually knowing what I did.

I know you think poorly of the “masses.” It’s one of the ways you get to feel superior. Since people don’t care about their kids wellbeing, is it better to have abandoned children roaming the streets begging and stealing? That experiential has not faired well in areas like Africa, India, Brazil, etc.

America will see how parents behave about having kids now that abortions are illegal. There is empirical evidence that in 20 years those states will become shitholes.

We were specifically talking about taxes for education and health care. Have we broadened the scope to other child suppport like food programs? I suspect that’s a more difficult position to hold unless you are a hardcore libertarian but that would run counter to your arguments about dividends - lying clearly hasn’t stopped you before.

 

[vanzandt]

We can probably Spend the money more effectively but it doesn’t change the value of public education and the taxes that fund it.

Yeah but money aside, whether it is spent effectively or we just spend more (to provide the same product achieved with less but more astute spending)... it doesn't matter. It's the family structure. The home. It's not our schools (in aggregate) that are lacking, it's the parents.

 

[M.W.]

I agree. And I don't think it's the right way forward for irresponsible or incapable parents to receive incentives to breed offspring. It produces mostly bad outcomes.

Yeah but money aside, whether it is spent effectively or we just spend more (to provide the same product achieved with less but more astute spending)... it doesn't matter. It's the family structure. The home. It's not our schools (in aggregate) that are lacking, it's the parents.

 

[vanzandt]

I agree. And I don't think it's the right way forward for irresponsible or incapable parents to receive incentives to breed offspring. It produces mostly bad outcomes.

Well, it is what it is though. I don't have an answer for the bigger picture, but I do firmly believe opportunities still abound for kids raised by parents that actually give af about... being parents.

 

[M.W.]

Absolutely. Like with everything in life, we treasure things more and are better stewards when we need to take responsibility and work for the things we want.

Well, it is what it is though. I don't have an answer for the bigger picture, but I do firmly believe opportunities still abound for kids raised by parents that actually give af about... being parents.

 

[newwurldmn]

Two hours later and still haven’t followed through on your threat. You are as bad as me on that (I also threatend and didn’t do it).

My ego isn’t fragile at all. You are the one who took offense after making some bullshit excuse about “a typo.” Why is it so hard to just say “you caught me. I’m not really a female. I pretended to be one.” Your ego can’t admit you were morally wrong.

With regards to your fictitious kids, you can still appreciate why a strong public school system is beneficial to society or do you think schools should be privatized (in broad strokes, this is what you are suggesting).

are you this libertarian about everything else? You seemed morally upset about companies paying dividends.

Show me where I accused you of hiring escorts. I have never done this. Now I understand your plenty misunderstandings.

I simply don't want to pay for others' kids. I want to pay for my own kids. If others can't afford to pay for their own kids then they should not have any. Simple as that. Whether that includes all cost or just the cost of education is irrelevant in that context.

I never lied to anyone in this forum ever. I would never lie to you especially, you have a way too fragile ego to be lied to.

And corresponding with you is getting really cumbersome. I give you a few minutes to read this reply then you will be blocked by me. I wasted enough time with you after I realized that you are not interested in exchanging ideas or thoughts but only insults.