Say goodbye to the Euro

Quote from makloda:



As a trader I find this interesting. The screaming and yelling of the Dollar bears got louder and louder, but the Dollar refused to make new lows in 2009 and thus far in 2010.

The more the idiots scream and call this little USD rally an amazing gift of the market to exit the terribly flawed Dollar the better. I'll stay long USD/short everything else until the USD reverses course. My levels are DX 76 for exit long and 75 for re-entering short.

Maybe, just mabye (!) this is the start of a multi-year bull market. If it isn't, I'll take a small loss and simply short the USD again. If it is, I'll clean up and - best of all - take money from the pathological Dollar haters.

Yeah I agree, it's a very notable divergence between the sentiment and the price performance. I found it especially interesting that the move from 1.25 to 1.50 was viewed by the bears as confirmation of the bear thesis - when as you point out, it had not even made new lows. You would expect a "collapsing" asset to at least be able to make a new low when bearishness runs rampant.

Another interesting factor is how long the bearishness has gone on for, and how consistent it has been. This reminds me of the bearishness on gold and commodities in the late 90s and early 2000s, and the bearishness in the first years of the Euro - the mainstream view was really relentlessly bearish for *years*, not just a few weeks or months. This is the kind of multi-year bearishness you see at the beginning of secular bull markets of 7-10 years or more. Of course these "bottoms" can last for years, so the sentiment alone isn't reason to buy - but this time we now have an uptrend in the dollar as a kind of catalyst, along with clear negative structural fundamentals and newsflow in currencies like the Euro and Pound.

If a similar pattern occurs this time, then the more recent lows in the dollar (1.51 Euro) should definitely hold, and we can then expect a multi-year rally that eventually ends with massive dollar bullishness and huge price gains. Short-term the bearishness on the Euro has got a little high, and price has fallen quite far in a short time period, so a pullback of some kind would not surprise me, maybe to 1.40-42. In the longer-term, if this dollar bull market thesis is correct, then we should see a move significantly beyond the 2008 highs of 1.25.

That said, I am not sure the Euro is the best currency to short against the dollar. The pound to me looks even more vulnerable over the long-term. I could imagine both pound and euro reaching parity in the next 3-5 years. That would be a 37% gain for Euro shorts, but a 50% gain for pound shorts from current levels.
 
Quote from zdreg:

u call this an analysis based upon logic? u have found maybe one counter example and say the hyperinflation thesis is out the window,.

u don't bother to delve into the reasons that might this scenario unique. or just accept it the uniqueness of this scenario.

Well, to be fair the hyperinflationists don't delve into the reasons why the Zimbabwe scenario might be unique. In fact, you could say it's not only unique but unheard of for a country in the situation of the G7 economies. It is after all a very long time since a rich nation experienced hyperinflation. When was the last time? Weimar Germany, a war-ravaged economy managed by a defeated power crippled by foreign-imposed armistice terms? Name one case where a leading world economy experienced hyperinflation.

Japan is not the only place that took on high debts and then experienced little inflation. The entire 1930s was like that - and, coincidentally, had people ranting on about inflation risks year after year, while government bonds kept grinding higher, just like 1990s-2000s Japan. Debt increased significantly yet US treasuries were yielding under 2% by the early 40s. There are plenty of past examples to support the deflation/disinflation/stagnation thesis. There are literally *zero* examples to support the hyperinflation thesis.

And with US treasuries yielding less than 4%, and inflation nowhere in sight, the current data do not support the hyperinflation thesis either.
 
Quote from Debaser82:

Did you know the same is true for the DIJ?

10 years and flat.

What makes the difference between 5 years and no change in USD and 10 years and no change in stocks for being bullish on the first and not the latter?

There has not been all-pervasive bearishness on stocks for the last 4-5 years. And the stock market is up 70%, whereas the dollar was within 10-20% of its lows from 2005 to 2010, and is still only up about 17% from the bear market low. Those are the main two differences.
 
Quote from makloda:

IMO it's quite telling that the gloom and doom over the Dollar were NEVER higher in the last 20 years than in these last 24 months.

The collapse was always right around the corner according to the bears and was just a question of time. The "USD was done", the "empire has fallen" and we were to welcome "King EUR". The USD perma bears were bloggin how the USD could "collapse 20% overnight" and how it's exchange rate is right on a trajectory with the Mexican Peson and the Zimbabwe Dollar etc. etc.

What they miss is that we're right back to 2005 in EURUSD. 5 years of nothing. 5 years of endless screaming of the imminent collapse and we're back to square zero.

As a trader I find this interesting. The screaming and yelling of the Dollar bears got louder and louder, but the Dollar refused to make new lows in 2009 and thus far in 2010.

The more the idiots scream and call this little USD rally an amazing gift of the market to exit the terribly flawed Dollar the better. I'll stay long USD/short everything else until the USD reverses course. My levels are DX 76 for exit long and 75 for re-entering short.

Maybe, just mabye (!) this is the start of a multi-year bull market. If it isn't, I'll take a small loss and simply short the USD again. If it is, I'll clean up and - best of all - take money from the pathological Dollar haters.

I agree from a technical view USD is lining up for a multi year run, fundamentally we seem to be living from year to year right now or maybe 1/2 year to 1/2 year.

But would you agree that all things considered for USD to continue current trend over next few years we need stock markets to continue advancing too? What are USD backed by?
 
History show us that EUR/USD is growing. There will be a time when EU or US (or both) will react to make the EUR grow again
 
Quote from Gcapman:

Looks like a long position a bit before (a few hours in anticipation) tomorrow's US jobs data


LoL

Scratch that......

Looks like 1.3300 is in the cards for the Euro tomorrow
 
Quote from JSSPMK:

I agree from a technical view USD is lining up for a multi year run, fundamentally we seem to be living from year to year right now or maybe 1/2 year to 1/2 year.

But would you agree that all things considered for USD to continue current trend over next few years we need stock markets to continue advancing too? What are USD backed by?

Only because the rest of the fiats suck. US government financials are atrocious and deteriorating daily. It will eventually come to a head.
 
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