Say goodbye to barrier beaches and coastal salt marshes

[Ricter]

It is the presence of our atmosphere that makes the difference in addition to the difference from the Sun between the two planets. The latter affects the amount of solar radiation stored by absorption during the day that is dissipated at night. What is called the greenhouse effect is quite important. For example in the desert when the relative humidity is extremely low it can get very cold on a clear night. The weak greenhouse effect of CO2 remains, but the stronger greenhouse effects of water vapor and clouds are noticeably absent. On a still night. The denser cold air settles at lower altitudes and vertical circulation between the Earth's surface and the Stratosphere is lessened because solar radiative heating of the Earth's surface is absent, though there remains a lessened differential temperature and density between low and higher altitudes, the source of vertical currents. local differential solar heating is absent , the source of horizontal winds, and the air tends to be still. Mercury does not seem to enjoy these features of the Earth. Our deserts would be less cold at night were CO2 a more efficient greenhouse gas, or if there was more of it.

So it follows that if we came to an Earth without an atmosphere, it would be very cold on the night side, but if we added any greenhouse gas then the Earth would warm, correct?

 

[jem]

look if you had peer reviewed science showing man made co2 causing warming... you or any other agw advocate would present it. That author would probably have a nobel prize and be a household name.

Please stop acting like you have science. You have speculation and models...
If there is an slight energy imbalance...ie warming... there are myraid candidates for the cause. man made co2 is very unlikely to be a significant cause.

I can give you dozens of peer reviewed articles showing the sun and the tides are likely to be the significant cause of warming and cooling.

The degree of the energy imbalance is uncertain, the energy imbalance itself is certain. Go back and follow the links yourself, and go the last page, as you claimed you did but apparently did not.

 

[futurecurrents]

So it follows that if we came to an Earth without an atmosphere, it would be very cold on the night side, but if we added any greenhouse gas then the Earth would warm, correct?

Let me answer for piehole.


"Yes but CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas that actually cools the earth because the Hansen hypothesis is inversely propotional to the thermal flux of the solar radiation. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so really we don't what will happen with continuing to increase the levels of CO2".

 

[jem]

This is precisely why you should question everything govt is saying.
When the big banks are on board you know the taxpayers are losing liberty and money.
And, for them to agree on anything, you know its probably bullshit combined with an incredible marketing plan. coordinated with all their media holding and their politicians and even their social media trogs.

Cmon guys wake up you are supporing the Deep State... be a real liberal and fight the man, don't work for the man.

Big Banks Call For 'Strong' Climate Deal
Without government action, they say, private investment won't be enough.

Ben Walsh Business Reporter, The Huffington Post
Posted: 09/28/2015 12:05 PM EDT

"NEW YORK -- Six big U.S. banks called for a "strong global climate agreement" in a statement Monday, with Bank of America, Citi, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo arguing in a joint release that government action, in addition to private business investment, is needed to address climate change.

"The banks said that putting a price on carbon emissions is crucial to increasing investments in clean energy. The right policy frameworks, they wrote, "can help unlock the incremental public and private capital needed to ensure" that the estimated $90 trillion in new infrastructure investments projected over the next 15 years will help reduce, not increase, carbon emissions.

"The next round of United Nations climate talks will take place from Nov. 30 through Dec. 11 in Paris. This series of talks has dragged on for years without yielding a significant deal, but as Reuters' David Stanway reports, the 2014 agreement between the U.S. and China means that "a global deal in Paris has become much more likely" -- although Stanway also notes that the individual country targets that have been laid out so far are not as ambitious as many countries would like to see.

"The banks' statement adds four major financial institutions to the list of U.S. businesses that support a deal in Paris.

"As U.S. negotiators enter climate talks in Paris, they can say with confidence that the business and financial community in this country is ready for government leadership to address climate change," said Mindy Lubber, president of the nonprofit Ceres, in a statement Monday.

"In July, 13 major U.S. companies, including Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, signed a White House statement in favor of a Paris deal. Politically, support from the business community could help to undercut the argument that economic growth and reducing carbon emissions are mutually exclusive goals.

"Still, no matter what the country's major banks say, it's not clear whether they'll persuade many Republican lawmakers to get on board with addressing climate change -- especially if those lawmakers are facing primary challenges from tea-party types and already feel insecure about holding on to their seats. It's also far from certain whether the business community can do much to change the anti-climate-action views of conservative lawmakers who have won congressional seats in recent years."

 

[piezoe]

So it follows that if we came to an Earth without an atmosphere, it would be very cold on the night side, but if we added any greenhouse gas then the Earth would warm, correct?

I would think it most definitely would not warm unless heat was leaking from the core or there was some other source of thermal energy, other than stored solar energy . I'm guessing if you added a greenhouse gas, in a simulation, the Earth would cool less rapidly , depending on the gas properties and concentration distribution. Remember a greenhouse gas can't warm anything by itself. All it can do is affect the rate of thermal energy dissipation of another body. In the process it itself warms but what is really happening is that the rate of thermal energy dissipation from the Earth surface is being slowed down. You stepping out of your cozy cabin in Alaska at midnight on a January evening and someone handing you a jacket is a very bad analogy. But you taking a warm brick from the hearth out with you and wrapping that brick in a jacket is a good analogy. The brick won't get any warmer than it was in the cabin, but it will cool less rapidly with a jacket around it. The fire in your cabin is the sun. The brick is the Earth going from day to night, and the jacket is a greenhouse gas.

But our Earth's atmosphere is a complex chaotic system. It does not consist of just one greenhouse gas, and certainly there is not one mechanism affecting the Earth's heating and cooling rates, but myriad mechanisms and they interact.. I am quite unqualified to answer your guestion, because one has to consider many factors all operating simultaneously. You'd do best to ask an expert. If they tell you they are not sure, they are probably very wise. If they give you a pat answer, they are probably wrong and not really an expert. I am both not an expert and unsure.

 

[Ricter]

I'm guessing if you added a greenhouse gas, in a simulation, the Earth would cool less rapidly

Bingo.

 

[Ricter]

This is precisely why you should question everything govt is saying.
When the big banks are on board you know the taxpayers are losing liberty and money.
And, for them to agree on anything, you know its probably bullshit combined with an incredible marketing plan. coordinated with all their media holding and their politicians and even their social media trogs.

Cmon guys wake up you are supporing the Deep State... be a real liberal and fight the man, don't work for the man.

Banks. Businesses. Governments. Scientists. You don't have many of any weight left on your team.

Doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong, but that is the way to bet.

 

[jem]

you have banks and sell out politicians and a few (75 out of 77) agw nutter scientists on your side.
You have no peer reviewed science which is why...

the scientists are actually on our team...

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs

http://www.petitionproject.org/

The survey we are discussing did not show the percentage of scientists who support the idea that man made co2 causes warming...

you want to know why...

 

[Ricter]

Lolol

"On his radio program Monday, Rush Limbaugh claimed that NASA’s announcement of the discovery of flowing water on Mars is part of some larger plan by the Obama administration “to advance the leftist agenda.”

"He admitted that he doesn’t “know what it is, I would assume it would be something to do with global warming,” speculating that NASA would “find a graveyard” from “an advanced civilization” that crumbled because of climate change."

 

[futurecurrents]

Lolol

"On his radio program Monday, Rush Limbaugh claimed that NASA’s announcement of the discovery of flowing water on Mars is part of some larger plan by the Obama administration “to advance the leftist agenda.”

"He admitted that he doesn’t “know what it is, I would assume it would be something to do with global warming,” speculating that NASA would “find a graveyard” from “an advanced civilization” that crumbled because of climate change."

It's a good thing Rush stays with prescription meds. Imagine if he started on street drugs too.

The sad thing is that many heads nodded as he said it. One could hear the rattling as the small nut in the craniums bumped around.