San Juan Mayor Fumes After Top Trump Official Calls Puerto Rico Response A ‘Good News Story’

If you talk about very deep corruption there - involving officials who used a state stamp to flip loans - well, not likely to get all these people who can face jail times to accept a clean up.
Of course you are right, Small Stops. You can't expect the corrupt officials to reform themselves. Reform won't be voluntary. Their is nothing voluntary about being placed under receivership. The U.S. State Department, backs by he courts and U.S. armed forces would then be in charge for an indefinite period.

Currently we have a Control Board in place in Puerto Rico, compliance with their directives is not voluntary. The problem is their directives are going to make matters worse, much worse, in the short run; who knows in the long run? I don't think that is the right approach, but it is a first step.
 
You may be right, but my information differs. From what I am told, there is first of all a large and continuing migration from Puerto Rico to the U.S.; something I think we agree on. However my sources on the Island tell me that South Florida is the number one destination and particularly the Miami area. An obvious reason for this is that Miami has a huge concentration of Spanish speaking citizens. There are entire sections of the city where English is rarely heard. But there is a second and equally, if not more, important factor and that is the existing population of Puerto Ricans. Some major metropolitan area have even more Spanish speakers, Los Angelos has twice as many as Miami! But the concentration of Puerto Ricans is much lower, as is the concentration of Spanish Speakers (but not by much). Both New York and Chicago have a much lower concentration of Spanish Speakers. New York has the highest number of Puerto Ricans followed not far behind by Miami, but Miami has twice the concentration of Spanish speakers, not to mention the climate is like that of Puerto Rico. Revisit this topic in ten years and you will likely see that I am right. South Florida will be the number one recipient of Puerto Ricans currently migrating to the U.S. Whether it will eventually be enough to turn the political Table is a guess, but it seems it could be, as Florida is already purple.

I don't share at all your assessment of Puerto Rico's future. I believe it could be brighter than it has ever been since the Spanish American War. But it depends entirely on how forward looking U.S. policy becomes. We can't expect anything very positive until Trump is off the golf course and out of the Oval Office. It is almost as though we borrowed a Puerto Rican politician to be our President.:D

Yes, because all the Presidents before Trump spent so much effort into fostering a great Puerto Rico.

Miami is the destination preferred for Cubans. Puerto Ricans (inside of Florida) prefer Orlando. However, NY is a big destination as well.
 
So a bunch of poor, desperate Puerto Rican's are going to move to one of the richest, least affordable places to live in America?
You're a little late. They already have. And more are on the why.
 
Yes, because all the Presidents before Trump spent so much effort into fostering a great Puerto Rico.

Miami is the destination preferred for Cubans. Puerto Ricans (inside of Florida) prefer Orlando. However, NY is a big destination as well.
Agreed, Orlando is also a destination. But you're a century out of date. There was a large migration to New York in the Early twentieth Century and New York remains with the largest population of Puerto Ricans. Florida , according to the 2010 census, has by far the largest Puerto Rican population (~800,000) next to New York (~ 1 million), and Florida's population of Puerto Ricans is growing at a much faster rate than New York's. Currently South Florida is the favored destination for migrants. In earlier times, both New York and Philadelphia experienced large migrations. Today it is South Florida. Get ready for a purple State to turn Blue. A Puerto Rican in Orlando will be just as blue as one in Miami. :D
 
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I don't share at all your assessment of Puerto Rico's future. I believe it could be brighter than it has ever been since the Spanish American War. But it depends entirely on how forward looking U.S. policy becomes. We can't expect anything very positive until Trump is off the golf course and out of the Oval Office. It is almost as though we borrowed a Puerto Rican politician to be our President.:D



How did Puerto Rico make out under eight years of Obama?

Oh, I see. They filed for bankruptcy. Nice. Yeh. By all means get Trump out and preserve the Democratic Plantation there.

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How did Puerto Rico make out under eight years of Obama?

Oh, I see. They filed for bankruptcy. Nice. Yeh. By all means get Trump out and preserve the Democratic Plantation there.

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A very high crime rate makes New Orleans look almost safe by comparison. The endemic Problems in Puerto Rico have nothing to do with immediate U.S. politics. Trump has continued to ignore Puerto Rico, as have other Presidents. In the present dire situation, however, we can say, that this attitude is not helpful. At least this failure to respond adequately to a natural disaster would have been less likely under the Obama or even the Bush administration after New Orleans flooded. Both those administrations learned from mistakes of the past. It is not obvious that Trump knows anything about these prior errors, and certainly lying about the situation in Puerto Rico, as Trump has done repeatedly, is not helpful. After the Hurricane mess is cleaned up, the other problems will still be there.

Puerto Rico is suffering from years of corruption and incompetence in their government including a cash economy where tax evasion is the rule rather than the exception. While the U.S. Federal government looked the other way, U.S. business interests exploited the Island to the maximum extent because there was no one to stop them. Have you heard of the Jones Act?
 
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A very high crime rate makes New Orleans look almost safe by comparison. The endemic Problems in Puerto Rico have nothing to do with immediate U.S. politics. Trump has continued to ignore Puerto Rico, as have other Presidents. In the present dire situation, however, we can say, that this attitude is not helpful. At least this failure to respond adequately to a natural disaster would have been less likely under the Obama or even the Bush administration after New Orleans flooded. Both those administrations learned from mistakes of the past. It is not obvious that Trump knows anything about these prior errors, and certainly lying about the situation in Puerto Rico, as Trump has done repeatedly, is not helpful. After the Hurricane mess is cleaned up, the other problems will still be there.

Puerto Rico is suffering from years of corruption and incompetence in their government including a cash economy where tax evasion is the rule rather than the exception. While the U.S. Federal government looked the other way, U.S. business interests exploited the Island to the maximum extent because there was no one to stop them. Have you heard of the Jones Act?

I am sure that Hillary's long history of taking responsibility for her own actions would serve as a model for Puerto Rico. Note: I have just made a joke.

In reality she would provide leadership on how to convince others that everyone but you is responsible for your problems. And while that was going, Bubba and Hillary's brother would be in Haiti skimming thirty cents off every dollar that goes in there from the feds and pillaging it into further poverty just as they have been doing in Haiti for decades. Nothing like a good earthquake in Haiti to make the Clinton cash register ring. And they already have front men working for them in Puerto Rico.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/exposed-hillary-clintons-puerto-rico-debt-relief-scam
 
I am sure that Hillary's long history of taking responsibility for her own actions would serve as a model for Puerto Rico. Note: I have just made a joke.

In reality she would provide leadership on how to convince others that everyone but you is responsible for your problems. And while that was going, Bubba and Hillary's brother would be in Haiti skimming thirty cents off every dollar that goes in there from the feds and pillaging it into further poverty just as they have been doing in Haiti for decades. Nothing like a good earthquake in Haiti to make the Clinton cash register ring. And they already have front men working for them in Puerto Rico.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/exposed-hillary-clintons-puerto-rico-debt-relief-scam
Your "what about" politics don't impress me. If I might make a suggestion, why not concentrate on the hear and now rather than the past, without losing site of the past and lessons learned. Why not make an effort to stop seeing everything as left vs. right, because everything isn't. Practice looking for gray among black and white.
 
Why not make an effort to stop seeing everything as left vs. right, because everything isn't. Practice looking for gray among black and white.


I see. Well, let's examine this together.

When I comment on Hillary and her vast shortcomings you offer up some pontification and caution about how everything is nuanced and we need to "practice looking for gray among black and white."

Yet a few posts above in this thread when you refer to Trump, you make the flatfooted statement that "There is no way one can understate the importance of ridding ourselves and our nation of this jerk. And there is nothing more important that any of us could do for our nation than to work toward that end." I guess your generosity of spirit and superior ability to see "gray among black and white" does not apply to anyone where you have already decided what is right. Double standard by a lefty? I am shocked.

Let the viewers decide.
 
I see. Well, let's examine this together.

When I comment on Hillary and her vast shortcomings you offer up some pontification and caution about how everything is nuanced and we need to "practice looking for gray among black and white."

Yet a few posts above in this thread when you refer to Trump, you make the flatfooted statement that "There is no way one can understate the importance of ridding ourselves and our nation of this jerk. And there is nothing more important that any of us could do for our nation than to work toward that end." I guess your generosity of spirit and superior ability to see "gray among black and white" does not apply to anyone where you have already decided what is right. Double standard by a lefty? I am shocked.

Let the viewers decide.
There are two different standards here. One is direct witness, I grabbed her pussy; I'll pay your legal bills; the wall just got ten feet higher, Mexico will pay for it, and numerous court records; the other is internet hearsay. Learn the difference, it will serve you well as you grow up.

Let the 'viewers' be educated.
 
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