Russian Hostage Resolution
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Originally posted by vladiator
???? Previuos opponents? What are you raving about?
I don't hate you. I loathe you. B/c the majority of Russians take credit for all the USSR had accomplished and b/c of your pervasive superiority complex. Russian people here in the US here me speak Russian and ask: "What part of Russia are you from?" I tell them I'm from Ukraine and they faces just twist...
I meant those russians who you've mentioned and with whom you couldn't do the trick, remember.
Nothing without "big brother." LMAO! Now you are pathetic. That's the snobby superiority complex I'm talking about. Dude, go to some cities in Ukraine and in Russia and see the difference. At first, after the union collapsed, you did lead economically b/c all the former USSR's links with the worled switched to Russia and we had to start from scratch. Now our economy is doing much better. You have been pretty much at the same spot ever since the fabled default. You may get as nationalistic as you want, but it looks like you've been in Canada for too long. Outside of Moscow, Russia in a century back economically. Even the great city of St.Petersburg which I had the pleasure of visiting last May is far from it's former self and looks very dirty and aweful compared to big cities in Ukraine.
Ukraine on the other hand, is developing quite OK without any "brotherly" help. Ever since we joined the European Council (about 4 or 5 years ago, if my memory serves me right), we didn't really count on you in any way. Too bad they didn't try to join the NATO
The truth is that both russians and ukrainians are in deep shit. I don't mean politicians and businessmen. Regular people are in deep shit due efforts of those politicians and dirty"businessmen".
Don't tell me that ukrainians live better than russians and their cityes and towns are in a better shape, I'm not going to believe it cause I know how bad the situation in Ukraine is. I can only agree that russian people struggle as much as ukrainians.
Will see what the differences will be in the future. And I sure would be interested to see where Russia would be now had it not been for the oil you have....
Are you saying that Russia doesn't deserve this oil? Anyhow, regular russians don't get much from it, so what's the use. All the money from oil is collected in deep pockets of crooks. I don't see this money to be spend on peoples needs and country's developement.
You never were a "Big Brother". A "Big Bully" maybe. Not that big though. The truth is you only were big and strong when you were part of the USSR. Now the only reason you are still looked at as "big" by the rest of the world is the nukes (which Ukraine voluntarily gave up.)
Oh, please... Russia this, Russia that. I don't think Bogdan Khmelnicky thought of Russia as of a "Big Bully" when in 1654 Ukraine asked the czar of Moscovy for protection against Poland and when Ukraine became a part of Russian Empire. It was centuries before the USSR.
Or do the ukrainians ask for help from Russia when they need it but when the times are tough for Russia they are the first ones to kick our butt?
yes, just think sharon and arafat, and many others like them more.
interesting little piece on the (non-)distinction between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter":
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans38.html
as much as senseless bloodshed is to be abhorred that accomplishes little other than inciting a vicious cycle of aggression and retaliation, no matter if it's state terrorism, non-governmental terrorism, freedom fighting etc, but here at the very least attention has been re-focused on one incredibly dirty war that has been waging in chechnya, on and off, for almost a decade, and that the world had almost forgotten.
thankfully an ever growing majority of russians, according to recent polls, seem to be fed up with their governments futile, albeit tenacious, belligerence towards chechnyas urge for independence. putin will probably understand that his hold on power will to some degree depend on his handling of the chechnya situation, giving some hope for a negotiated settlement involving a degree of initial autonomy that may eventually be forthcoming.
Under the Jackboot
Russiaâs âforgotten warâ in Chechnya turns uglierâand looks increasingly likely to spread beyond its borders. A report from the front
By Christian Caryl
NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL
Oct. 14 issue â It was the kind of story that people in Chechnya know only too well. In the deep of night, Russian troops clad in camouflage uniforms and masks surrounded the village of Krasnostepnovskoye. After a brutal search for presumed rebels, they detained six men, 32 to 44 years old, blindfolded them and loaded them into an armored personnel carrier.
THE MISSING MEN turned up four months laterâin a mass grave on the border with neighboring Ingushetia, uncovered in early September. The tip-off came from the soldiers who had done the killing. They charged the villagers a hefty fee for telling them where to find the corpses.
The episode, documented by the Russian human-rights organization Memorial, testifies to the savagery and cynicism of the Chechen war.
... The Russians call these operations zachistki . Literally meaning âcleansingâ or âcleaning up,â the word is one of the more cynical euphemisms devised by a government to cover up violence committed against real and imagined enemies.
Far from choking off support for the rebels among the population, the zachistkiâoften accompanied by various forms of extortion, plundering, beatings and rapeâare actually having the opposite effect.
... Blowing people up, alive or dead, she reports, is the latest tactic introduced by the federal Army into the conflict. It was utilized perhaps most effectively on July 3 in the village of Meskyer Yurt, where 21 men, women and children were bound together and blown up, their remains thrown into a ditch.
...
NEWSWEEK
entire highly atrocious story, really not for the faint hearted:
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/817645.asp