Russiagate Isn’t About Trump, And It Isn’t Even Ultimately About Russia

[Tom B]

FBI Deputy Director McCabe Forced To Step Down, But Not Leaving The Bureau Just Yet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...wn-but-not-leaving-the-bureau-just-y-n2441248

 

[Frederick Foresight]

So, if the investigation isn't complete, how is it you are able to pass judgment so easily and quickly and label Trump guilty?

In much the same way that you are able to pass judgment so easily and quickly, and label Trump innocent.

 

[Tsing Tao]

What evidence do you have that these two lovebirds derailed the legitimacy of the investigation?

I'm not sure these two derailed anything. But given the texts that were released, given the fact that the FBI "lost" five months of text messages between then, and given the fact that only about 15% of the texts remaining were actually turned over (the others are withheld because they are personal, which I understand and for "other" reasons, which is bullshit), I can't rightly say how compromised these two were and what they could have impacted.

Given this, and the example of McGabe stepping down after failing to disclose ties the Clinton campaign, and other agents who did not fully investigate Clinton for a whole host of reasons, and "sources" in the intelligence industry that provided a whole host of articles to various outlets like the NYT or Washington Post that turned out to be laughably wrong, and all of this because to make folks suspect the narrative and those people pushing it.

Much in the same way there was never any hard proof in Podesta's emails of anything Clinton knew of and did that was illegal, but it was still enough to sink her.

 

[piezoe]

Second line in the post, old man. See those red words? That's called a hyperlink. Means you can click on them and you magically go off to the source, somewhere off in the internets!

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So, if the investigation isn't complete, how is it you are able to pass judgment so easily and quickly and label Trump guilty?

I carefully avoided, in my response, the word guilty. I stated very clearly that we are depending on Trumps own words and they are consistent which sources independent of the special prosecutor.

I should like to apologize for not recognizing the hyperlink. I still think it would be a good idea to simply quote the source or paste a link.

I should point out that the Watergate investigation took approximately two years. The present investigation may take longer.

 

[Tsing Tao]

In much the same way that you are able to pass judgment so easily and quickly, and label Trump innocent.

Right! And I will continue to do so, until evidence is presented.. That's what "Innocent until proven guilty" means! As I have said to you numerous times, if solid evidence shows Trump guilty I will line up right behind you in calling for his removal. The difference is that you and Piezoe are calling for it without the evidence.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I carefully avoided, in my response, the word guilty. I stated very clearly that we are depending on Trumps own words and they are consistent which sources independent of the special prosecutor.

Actually you would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to recognize that there is a connection between Trump and Russian operatives.

You can hide behind semantics all you want, but unless you lose a lot more weight, I can clearly see you hiding there.

Still waiting on the poll or link or tabloid/whatever that shows "The majority of U.S. adults think there is real substance here".

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Right! And I will continue to do so, until evidence is presented.. That's what "Innocent until proven guilty" means! As I have said to you numerous times, if solid evidence shows Trump guilty I will line up right behind you in calling for his removal. The difference is that you and Piezoe are calling for it without the evidence.

And a good number of Republicans are trying to circumvent the investigation to impede the collection and establishment of evidence, such as it may be. Can you see how that corrupts the process? We all have our opinions, which we are quick to share. Some people, however, want to leave it at opinions -- theirs, and call it a day. Such people have no business being in government.

 

[piezoe]

Still waiting on the poll or link or tabloid/whatever that shows "The majority of U.S. adults think there is real substance here".

There is a new poll due out this November that should prove highly reliable. I suggest we wait for that one.

 

[Tsing Tao]

There is a new poll due out this November that should prove highly reliable. I suggest we wait for that one.

I don't have a problem waiting for that one. But let the record show you made up shit on the fly about what the majority of U.S. adults think in regards to Russian collusion.

 

[Tsing Tao]

And a good number of Republicans are trying to circumvent the investigation to impede the collection and establishment of evidence, such as it may be. Can you see how that corrupts the process? We all have our opinions, which we are quick to share. Some people, however, want to leave it at opinions -- theirs, and call it a day. Such people have no business being in government.

Look, opinions will always be in play - there's no way to get rid of them. However, anyone - from any political party - that is impeding an investigation should be convicted of a federal crime. I am solidly with you on that.

But I won't condemn a man without evidence to prove he is guilty. I can have my personal thoughts, as can you (opinions).