Russia & Ukraine
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Prigo has been going to other countries and doing hit jobs and developing guerilla forces in shit hole countries for decades. He knows how to even scores and he knows how Putin acts to get revenge. He has carried out many revenge actions for Putin all over the world. So he is in a tough spot with Putin, but Putin is in a tough spot with Prigo too.
What I am getting at, is that there is that pro-Russian/but anti-putin guerilla operation beginning to do some damage/ not much but some in Russia. You would have to be nuts to think that if Putin takes or tries to take Wagner away from Prigo that Prigo will not suddenly be finding ways to join forces with or support that group of fighters.
Prigo's actions- even though he backed down- will be a HUGE boost for those fighters because they saw how Prigo was treated in Rostov. He was treated as a HERO not as a traitor and that is how they want to be treated. So both Prigo and those guerilla fighters are having success in promoting the idea that you can be anti-war and anti-putin and still be a true Russian.
MORE TO COME. Prigo not going to disappear off to Africa forever, although he may go to regroup. But the Russians showed him some love and that is like crack cocaine for Prigo. He will be permanently meddling in Russia until Putin is gone. He is a scumbag too. He has inside Russian information from all of his experience and contacts and he will pass it to Ukraine as needed if that is what is required to weaken Putin.
Russian security services threatened the families of Wagner forces to get them to back down, report says
Russian security services threatened the families of Wagner forces to get them to back down, report says (msn.com)
What I am getting at, is that there is that pro-Russian/but anti-putin guerilla operation beginning to do some damage/ not much but some in Russia. You would have to be nuts to think that if Putin takes or tries to take Wagner away from Prigo that Prigo will not suddenly be finding ways to join forces with or support that group of fighters.
Prigo's actions- even though he backed down- will be a HUGE boost for those fighters because they saw how Prigo was treated in Rostov. He was treated as a HERO not as a traitor and that is how they want to be treated. So both Prigo and those guerilla fighters are having success in promoting the idea that you can be anti-war and anti-putin and still be a true Russian.
MORE TO COME. Prigo not going to disappear off to Africa forever, although he may go to regroup. But the Russians showed him some love and that is like crack cocaine for Prigo. He will be permanently meddling in Russia until Putin is gone. He is a scumbag too. He has inside Russian information from all of his experience and contacts and he will pass it to Ukraine as needed if that is what is required to weaken Putin.
Russian security services threatened the families of Wagner forces to get them to back down, report says
Russian security services threatened the families of Wagner forces to get them to back down, report says (msn.com)
Wherever he is, he is more involved in Putin's removal now than he has ever been.
The notion that he is going to get a two bedroom condo in Minsk and live quietly is absurd.
He is a world-class meddler and troublemaker and is not going anywhere unless the FSB takes him out. But the FSB may take Vlad out too. Feel the love.
The final tally seems to be that Wagner shot down 6 Russian helicopters on the way to Moscow. Wow. That's well into rebellion territory rather than just a show of force parade.
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The West must now consider the possibility of a Russian political collapse
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/wagner-putin-us-ukraine-analysis/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/wagner-putin-us-ukraine-analysis/index.html
I don’t know about all of this. My instincts tell me Prigozhin fell out of a window on the plane to Belarus. The last I read Wagner is disbanded.
As far as the FSB being sick of Putin, I don’t know. That’s probably his power base and where the internal battle would take place and if it isn’t Prigozhin waging that battle then who is?
Russia has been a mafia styled government for a couple decades at least and is currently being sold to the Chinese. It’s more of a ponzi collapse than a political collapse.
And the question of where the Wagnerites go is as important as where Prigo goes.
Wagner is/was Russias foremost fighting unit. And Vlad single handedly wiped them out in the middle of a war. Way to go Vlad. Pure genius. Yes, a lot of the wagnerites were just cannon fodder but they were also doing a lot of damage. Expect Bakhmut to be back in Ukrainian hands soon if not already.
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It’s all such a mess at this point. I don’t know what to make of all of this.