Russia & Ukraine

[M.W.]

Oh goodness, look at your own morally bankrupt society and government. You stole, invaded, cheated other nations and communities more than any other nation in the entire history of human kind.

Putin broke a well, well know rule of empire building/rebuilding thats been repeated by disconnected kings emperors and tsars over and over in angering a population. In the end there will be a decade or two of coldness and hard feelings between Ukraine and Russia. Of course AI will throw a spanner into the works for the entirety of humanity except for some lucky uncontacted fellas in the rainforests.

I was just talking about this with a friend. This for example is just one of a long series of strong arm brutality tactics that lost the British their empire.

"The deployment of the Black and Tans to Ireland by Winston Churchill in 1920 was a significant event in the Irish War of Independence. The Black and Tans were a paramilitary force made up of ex-soldiers and ex-prisoners, and they were sent to Ireland to help the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) suppress the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The Black and Tans were notorious for their brutality, and their actions helped to turn public opinion in Ireland against British rule.

The Black and Tans (named for their uniform colours) were deployed to Ireland in response to the growing popularity of the IRA. The IRA had been formed in 1919, and it quickly gained support among the Irish people. The IRA's goal was to achieve Irish independence from Britain, and it used violence to achieve its goals. The British government was worried about the IRA's growing popularity, and it decided to send the Black and Tans to Ireland to help the RIC suppress the IRA.

The Black and Tans were a brutal force, and they quickly earned a reputation for violence and intimidation. They burned down houses, looted businesses, and killed civilians. The Black and Tans' actions helped to turn public opinion in Ireland against British rule. Many Irish people saw the Black and Tans as an occupying army, and they supported the IRA's fight for independence.

The Black and Tans were withdrawn from Ireland in 1922, but their legacy continues to this day. They are seen as a symbol of British brutality and oppression, and they helped to popularize the cause for Irish independence.

Here are some of the specific ways in which the deployment of the Black and Tans helped to popularize the cause for independence:

• The Black and Tans' brutality alienated many Irish people who had previously been supportive of the British government.
• The Black and Tans' actions helped to increase support for the IRA.
• The Black and Tans' deployment made it clear to the British government that it could not suppress the Irish independence movement by force.

As a result of these factors, the deployment of the Black and Tans helped to create the conditions that led to the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, which granted Ireland independence.
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[Cuddles]

Sure, let's ignore history because it's all so convenient for your side. But good, you take a stance. Then also accept Russia's win if they turn out to be the victors. After all what happened before now should also apply to tomorrow.

ah yes, "let's accept every atrocity moving forward because we're not talking about past mistakes we can do nothing about."<<this is you, this is your logic

 

[M.W.]

The US very clearly. What right did the US have to keep Japan down and impose a limit on their ships for trade and defense long before Japan showed any aggression? What about the US invading sovereign Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan? What about the games the US played in Persia long before Iran showed any aggression towards other nations? Don't be a hipocrite.

Of course (like they say all's fair in love and war), but which side was the aggressor .... from the very start.

 

[M.W.]

No, my logic is CHOSE ONE VIEWPOINT. But you guys love to do one thing and tell the rest of the world to do another. Which one is it? Does history count and the clock should be turned back to undo past aggression and nation building at the cost of everyone else or is it that winner takes all and whoever succeeds keeps the land? Which one is it?

ah yes, "let's accept every atrocity moving forward because we're not talking about past mistakes we can do nothing about."<<this is you, this is your logic

 

[terr]

The land was settled long before Jews arrived. So you take the same stance with the US? Because the indigenous did not have a flag and currency justifies the theft of their land? You left ilk are so fucking hypocritical its laughable.

Yes, the land was settled thousands of years ago - by Jews. Who had a continuous presence SINCE then until today.

You claimed it was "sovereign territory". Sovereign territories are supposed to have borders, flags, currency, government and someone at the head. Care to point out any of that with the "sovereign territory" that "Jews" took?

 

[M.W.]

And before Jews settled the "promised land"? Conveniently omitted that little fact? You obviously derived your claims from the thorah hence you should not just recount the half truth but the full truth. The battles are all described in detail. That land was fully settled by others before. Again, I don't have a problem with that. But then don't pretend that different standards should apply for non Jews and non Americans. That's pure hipocricy.

Yes, the land was settled thousands of years ago - by Jews. Who had a continuous presence SINCE then until today.

You claimed it was "sovereign territory". Sovereign territories are supposed to have borders, flags, currency, government and someone at the head. Care to point out any of that with the "sovereign territory" that "Jews" took?

 

[Tony Stark]

Sure then the US is to blame for the stolen land of the indigenous and enslaving thousands of blacks. Pay your due, asshole, and while we are at it return the land your forefathers blatantly stole from others and move back to wherever your ilk came from.

Stop supporting a war crime committing dictator thug,asshole.

 

[M.W.]

Stop sitting on land your forefathers stole and mass murdered and raped indigenous. Take responsibility for your own ilk's wrongdoing then you can point your fingers at others. I much more have the suspicion that anglosaxons can't accept to play second fiddle. Can't be that China and Russia protect their former sovereign territory. Much easier to dump opium on them, occupy their territories and then later financially support split off factions all in the name of geopolitical sharades.

Stop supporting a war crime committing dictator thug,asshole.

 

[Tony Stark]

The US very clearly. What right did the US have to keep Japan down and impose a limit on their ships for trade and defense long before Japan showed any aggression? What about the US invading sovereign Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan? What about the games the US played in Persia long before Iran showed any aggression towards other nations? Don't be a hipocrite.

 

[M.W.]

Those who cry whataboutism are in almost all cases hipocrites who deflect from taking responsibility for actions they try to school others about.