Russia & Ukraine
- Thread starter UsualName
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sorry - but you are naive.
you should learn a few things about russian history.
maybe russians will never change - their problem ...
if they like to fight and to suffer - so be it.
but the rest of the world wants to be left alone.
putin has to die - along with many others - sooner or later this will happen, one way or another.
and russia has to change - but i doubt that this will ever be possible.
i hope that russia will dismantle itself - because it is an absurd construction based on oppression and violence.
sad but true.
It sounds like the plan is to wear Russia down and hope internal resistance will topple current leadership. I'm not saying it is wrong, but it may take a while, if it were to ever happen. Meanwhile, human costs will continue to mount. Further, I saw an article recently that Russian citizens are hardening their position on the war. If this is true, it would make it less likely Putin gets overthrown.
I suppose if Ukrainians are comfortable with maintaining the status quo, in spite of their sacrifices, it is their call. The next question is what is an appropriate level of commitment should NATO have towards Ukraine? Is it reasonable to expect Nato's commitment to Ukraine to be absolute? Sure, there is an argument the West should completely support Ukraine, sharing many of the same ideals. If that conclusion is reached, the global conflict all but becomes inevitable, some NATO members may withdraw support, and the US may not gear up for global war effectively, given its post WWII history. This may leave Ukraine even more battered with no end to war in sight. While I perceive most in the US support Ukraine, I doubt it is unconditional unless Russia started using WMDs. It seems worthwhile to explore intermediate options before committing to actions that may be undoable. Peace discussions sound like a solid consideration as an intermediate step.
wait another 6 months and see what ukraine will be able to achieve with the new weapons.
think back 1 year ... nobody should ever underestimate the spirit of a nation that fights for freedom.
russia needs to be weakened as much a possible - that's clear.
russia - like it is now - has no longterm perspective anyway.
How many additional dead young Ukrainians are worth one dead Putin? Would you be happy to trade another 100,000 Ukrainians (or whatever) for him? I have met a fair number of Russians in the US. I prefer not to do business with them because they tend to be ethically challenged. Further, many Russians seem to lack initiative, limiting their effectiveness in Western Society. Russians, while smart and hearty, seem beaten down by generations of Soviet style government that does not tolerate independent thinking. It is because of this Russia will eventually collapse, especially as the West and Asia continue to progress, but we may be talking about decades.
It is likely in all of our best interests to see an equitable end to the current conflict. Even though Ukraine is the harmed party. As a practical matter, it seems unreasonable to expect all of Ukraine's demands to be accepted, even assuming a major victory, which does not seem likely. Especially if Russia is able to obtain firm commitments from her allies.
Time to get talking?
only ukraine can answer this.
Already has been answered - to the last Ukrainian. You see how hypocritical the West is, they say they care about Ukraine but don't care if they all were to be exterminated by the Russians. If they cared about Ukrainians and were confident as you are about the outcome of NATO vs Russia, then NATO forces already would have been fighting in Ukraine.
the real important question is:
how many more russian men are willing to go and fight and die for their moron leaders?
they don't fight for russia - they only fight for their mafia admin.
bring em on.
