Russia & Ukraine

So standing up to a brutal dictator of people outside the US (fuck all to do with you basically) somehow justifies you killing the innocent people you were trying to protect from the brutal dictator? Did they ask for your help? Nope! You told the world that he had the illusionary WMDs and invaded Iraq. This is my point exactly. You did exactly the same thing to Iraqis what Russians are doing to Ukrainians, but because you are racist and a hypocrite, you accuse me constantly of being an evil fuck. Makes sense!!!!



I think most Americans agree Iraq was wrong and that Bush was a fucking idiot,thats why he left office with an approval rating in the 20-30s and is ranked as one of the worst US Presidents ever.While Bush did fuck up in Iraq this is Putins 3rd invasion.
 
so what changed your mind Tony? Genuinely curious as plenty here haven't seen the light.


Those posts were about The US entering the war directly/troops on the ground.I still don't support that as it will end with nuclear war imo.
 
China is playing the long game with Ukraine too.

They will be more than happy to rebuild/ invest in all those eastern ports and mining ventures in the Donbass if the Russians stay and also if they are moved out by the Ukrainians.

Ukraine will willing take their bucks, arguing that the Americans and the west have not given enough to rebuild. Xi can swing his Belt and Road initiative right through Ukraine. Not a prob.

Let's read the latest Russian statement after the proposed peace plan from China.


In Russian News: Russia offers a simple solution to end the war

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs declared Russia's openness to achieve the goals of the NWO through political and diplomatic means

Russia highly appreciates China's desire to contribute to the settlement of the Ukrainian conflict by peaceful means and shares Beijing's proposals. This is stated in the comments of the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, published by the ministry. Thus, the diplomat commented on the plan for a peaceful settlement of the situation in Ukraine, presented earlier by the Chinese side.

"Russia is open to achieving the goals of the NMD through political and diplomatic means. This implies the cessation of supplies of Western weapons and mercenaries to Ukraine, the end of hostilities, the return of Ukraine to a neutral non-bloc status, the recognition of new territorial realities that have emerged as a result of the realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as the elimination of all threats emanating from its territory," Zakharova said.



Yeah, I don't think so Russia.
 
Let's read the latest Russian statement after the proposed peace plan from China.

In Russian News: Russia offers a simple solution to end the war

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs declared Russia's openness to achieve the goals of the NWO through political and diplomatic means

Russia highly appreciates China's desire to contribute to the settlement of the Ukrainian conflict by peaceful means and shares Beijing's proposals. This is stated in the comments of the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, published by the ministry. Thus, the diplomat commented on the plan for a peaceful settlement of the situation in Ukraine, presented earlier by the Chinese side.

"Russia is open to achieving the goals of the NMD through political and diplomatic means. This implies the cessation of supplies of Western weapons and mercenaries to Ukraine, the end of hostilities, the return of Ukraine to a neutral non-bloc status, the recognition of new territorial realities that have emerged as a result of the realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as the elimination of all threats emanating from its territory," Zakharova said.



Yeah, I don't think so Russia.

I expect that at some point either the CIA or Ukraine intelligence will start the rumor that intel has been intercepted indicating that the Americans and China are collaborating on a deal where China will help to let the donbass fall in exchange for a referendum or some kind of scheme on Taiwan.

They know Putin is paranoid as hell these days and will mess with his mind. The fact that it is probably true is neither here nor there. The goal is just to mess with his mind. What is true or untrue is not even a consideration.
 
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