Russia & Ukraine

[TreeFrogTrader]

Pooty-Boy needs to hurry up and get his "new recruits" down to Ukraine because the war is still very much in progress while he is dealing with his mobilization clean-up on aisle 6.

Oh, and tell the recruits to bring some equipment with them. Equipment does not last long where they are going.

Russia suffered significant losses of military equipment both in the air and on the ground over the last 24 hours, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have said in their latest update.

Ukraine's military said on Friday that over the previous day, Russia had lost 18 tanks, a helicopter and a fighter jet, as well as 14 artillery systems and eight Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS).

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-kremlin-1745631

 

[easymon1]

Those who engage in these "what about" arguments haven't given much thought to the difference between making horrible mistakes without acknowledging them and then criticizing others for doing the same, versus acknowledging your past mistakes and and changing your behavior going forward. The former is hypocritical behavior; the latter permits you to be critical of others without being hypocritical when they engage in the same behavior that you have learned from experience is wrong and therefore no longer engage in.

Furthermore, the mistakes of others can never be used justify our own own.

WTF are you on about. Spit it out.
You make no sense with your these and those.
If you are talking to me, do so.
Get Specific, piezoe.
Point by Point.

 

[piezoe]

They may do so. Something you may not know, and a lot of people do not know - almost EVERY one of the higher-ups (and by that I don't mean the very top only, but anywhere from city mayors and up) has a son, daughter, grandchildren or mistress living or studying in London, Miami, New York, Paris, Spain, Czech republic or another horrible, decadent, enemy West country. Including Putin's current mistress who is reportedly in Switzerland.

Are they going to bomb them? Who knows, but one may hope there is something human left in them yet.

As for "it is the Russian People who will play a pivotal role in bringing the war to an end" - I don't think so. I really don't. Any kind of rebellious instinct has been completely bred out of the Russian population. Enormous number of people who had any such instinct have been chased out of the country, or deported, or killed in camps/jails, or just murdered outright. I am not talking thousands. I am talking tens of millions. Any predisposition to rebel has been meticulously bred/murdered out of the population. There is nothing left except the meek acceptance of their fate and the desire for "strong hand" to rule them.

Thanks for that viewpoint. It's very interesting to me. I guess we should learn much in the next few months. What I'll be looking for is an indication that "this rebellious instinct" really has been "bred" out of the Russian population, as you suggest, or whether it is just suppressed and will surface if people are pushed far enough.

 

[piezoe]

WTF are you on about. Spit it out.
You make no sense with your these and those.
If you are talking to me, do so.
Get Specific, piezoe.
Point by Point.

My impression is that our sources of news are very different. There are some people that it would be a waste of time for me to try and have a dialog with. It seems you are one of them.

 

[terr]

Thanks for that viewpoint. It's very interesting to me. I guess we should learn much in the next few months. What I'll be looking for is an indication that "this rebellious instinct" really has been "bred" out of the Russian population, as you suggest, or whether it is just suppressed and will surface if people are pushed far enough.

You have an indication right now. In Russia, right now, as we post here, literally tens of thousands of men meekly and without protest left their jobs, families, mortgages etc. and are preparing to go to die for no good reason whatsoever - because of an official piece of paper they received in the mail or was handed to them. And hundreds of thousands more will follow.

When your life is in danger, there is a normal human instinct to do one of three things: fight, flee, or freeze

In Russia, it seems that maybe 2-3% follow the first instinct, maybe 3-5% (maybe even up to 10%?) follow the second. The rest - freeze and meekly follow orders.

 

[terr]

Here's an example of the absolute idiocy of an average Russian (and from my watching this situation, really, this is an average Russian)

His post: he's trying to flee (I presume because of the mobilization) to Georgia, and they turned him away at the border because he forgot to remove a Z from his windshield. He's fuming: "Georgians, you're next for denazification" (and he misspells that too)

 

[terr]

Speaking of stewing in their own juices. Toyota has stopped production of their cars in their Sankt Peterburg's factory a couple of months, for lack of foreign-produced parts. Today they gathered all the workers for a meeting and announced that the factory is closing. All the workers lost their jobs.

Ah but they will probably just be mobilized anyway.

 

[terr]

Another example of a typical Russian. It is hard to imagine that some can be THAT stupid but here it is:

"I stood [in a car line] for 17 hours on the border with Georgia, <expletive> you can't imagine.

It was horrible.

I didn't eat or drink anything.

And all that is because of those <expletive> Ukrainians I am just so pissed off that they decided to attack us.

<Expletive> I wish they all die for what we have to go through now, <expletive>.

You understand, <expletive> 17 hours on the border so that these American [well, Ukrainian but Russians think there are lots of Americans there (terr)] bastards don't kill me."

 

[gwb-trading]

Another example of a typical Russian. It is hard to imagine that some can be THAT stupid but here it is:

"I stood [in a car line] for 17 hours on the border with Georgia, <expletive> you can't imagine.

It was horrible.

I didn't eat or drink anything.

And all that is because of those <expletive> Ukrainians I am just so pissed off that they decided to attack us.

<Expletive> I wish they all die for what we have to go through now, <expletive>.

You understand, <expletive> 17 hours on the border so that these American [well, Ukrainian but Russians think there are lots of Americans there (terr)] bastards don't kill me."




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It's amazing that people can be so brainwashed and ignorant --- but not surprising after what they have been fed by the Russian state media.

 

[gwb-trading]