Russia & Ukraine
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Zelenskiy vows to restore Ukrainian rule in Russia-annexed Crimea
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-vows-restore-ukrainian-rule-crimea-2022-08-23/
my comments:
Ukrainians messing with Putin's head with all this talk about taking Crimea and with the increasing but sporadic attacks in Crimea.
Even if it is not necessarily achievable anytime soon - messing with the Crimea is still the right thing to do.
Putin's original and current (but failing plan) is to secure the east and then be able to move more troops to the interior and up to Kviv and then have the Belarus come down and join in.
But now Putin has to increasingly worry about whether the Ukrainians will make more advances on Crimea if he sends more troops up to Kiev. It is good to keep him divided like that. The other plan Putin has- as Plan B- is to agree to some temp ceasefire, during which time he will continue to re-supply via the rail line through Crimea. But now Zelenski is saying Crimea is not on the table so the previous offer to negotiate and have a ceasre fire if the Russians withdrew to the Feb 24 lines is looking shaky. So that messes with Vlad too.
Wayy back his plan was to take the donbass, then down to Kherson, then all the way down and take Odessa. But the Black Sea Fleet with it's missiles and guns and the Russian marines. were supposed to play the major role in softening up Odessa. Except that plan has fallen apart now too because Ukrainian (a/k/a American) missiles have caused the Black Sea Fleet to stay far away from Odessa.
Yeh, making him commit resources to protecting Crimea is a good thing even if the Ukrainians ultimately do not take it- which would be a big stretch- unless the Kerch bridge goes down.
And if the bridge did go down it would not only put Crimea at risk for real but Kherson as well because they are getting war supplies up from that rail line over the kersch bridge in addition to the basic trucking over the bridge.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-vows-restore-ukrainian-rule-crimea-2022-08-23/
my comments:
Ukrainians messing with Putin's head with all this talk about taking Crimea and with the increasing but sporadic attacks in Crimea.
Even if it is not necessarily achievable anytime soon - messing with the Crimea is still the right thing to do.
Putin's original and current (but failing plan) is to secure the east and then be able to move more troops to the interior and up to Kviv and then have the Belarus come down and join in.
But now Putin has to increasingly worry about whether the Ukrainians will make more advances on Crimea if he sends more troops up to Kiev. It is good to keep him divided like that. The other plan Putin has- as Plan B- is to agree to some temp ceasefire, during which time he will continue to re-supply via the rail line through Crimea. But now Zelenski is saying Crimea is not on the table so the previous offer to negotiate and have a ceasre fire if the Russians withdrew to the Feb 24 lines is looking shaky. So that messes with Vlad too.
Wayy back his plan was to take the donbass, then down to Kherson, then all the way down and take Odessa. But the Black Sea Fleet with it's missiles and guns and the Russian marines. were supposed to play the major role in softening up Odessa. Except that plan has fallen apart now too because Ukrainian (a/k/a American) missiles have caused the Black Sea Fleet to stay far away from Odessa.
Yeh, making him commit resources to protecting Crimea is a good thing even if the Ukrainians ultimately do not take it- which would be a big stretch- unless the Kerch bridge goes down.
And if the bridge did go down it would not only put Crimea at risk for real but Kherson as well because they are getting war supplies up from that rail line over the kersch bridge in addition to the basic trucking over the bridge.
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This guy sounds disgusting.
nonsense, he's a fine individual. Whattaya Commie, NAZI or sumthin? What, Trudy get that mess sorted out over there yet? He's got his boots on and in the heat of the fray as we speak I betcha!
Whats ya problem, no pepperoni? That stuff from a pizza is crap. You want the good stuff, ya gotta buy it put it on there yourself. Don't you know nothin?
You just divertin contentless bozo? please say no.
Hey you two never mentioned content.
How bout you comment on the content that I posted that you dislike but failed to mention and we can take it from there.
Got the stones?
You are up. Who's first?
What's your beef?
As some pundits have stated, one of the problems with a general mobilization would be that Russia has no equipment or supplies for the troops. BUT in addition to that, it would take workers away from the economy and hurt production in many areas.
Examples of this becoming apparent even from the current disorganized mobilization attempts.
I am thinking that some of these miners might end out killing a few Russian officers as well.
I am also thinking that some of these miners were probably very pro-Russian just a few months ago. Maybe not so much today. Maybe not. If they are still flag waving Russians, then great. Go get em. Lots of job openings on the front lines. New opportunities open up hourly. And apparently no experience or training are required.
Russia Forcibly Conscripts Over 400 Mine Workers for Ukraine War: Governor
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-for...400-mine-workers-ukraine-war-governor-1735493
Examples of this becoming apparent even from the current disorganized mobilization attempts.
I am thinking that some of these miners might end out killing a few Russian officers as well.
I am also thinking that some of these miners were probably very pro-Russian just a few months ago. Maybe not so much today. Maybe not. If they are still flag waving Russians, then great. Go get em. Lots of job openings on the front lines. New opportunities open up hourly. And apparently no experience or training are required.
Russia Forcibly Conscripts Over 400 Mine Workers for Ukraine War: Governor
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-for...400-mine-workers-ukraine-war-governor-1735493
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I hate to hear about number of deaths without mention of the many other casualties of war, measured in human suffering. For example, if 9000 died and there are 5 times more injured than died, that is 45,000 additional casualties. This is not including PTSD. These 45,000 human beings are likely to have severe injuries, as in either no longer able to serve or require an extended recovery time. Adding 9000 killed to 45,000 equals 54,000 physical casualties. PTSD sufferers are probably double this number. Now assuming these 54,000 are part of family units that include grand parents, parents, and a sibling, not including potential children of those who serve, we are now at and additional 270,000 Ukrainians profoundly affected by the war, not including those facing economic hardships, including becoming refugees. Ukraine has about 40,000,000 people with well over a million who left Ukraine. Leaving one’s home, especially under particularly uncertain conditions is near the top of known phycological stressors. Now let’s mention all the soldiers who are physically ok, but are separated from their families, many of whom are refugees. In total, many millions of Ukrainians have been severely affected by “Putin’s little game”. I will not bother to estimate those suffering on the Russian side, except to say their suffering could eventually lead to Putin’s undoing.
In support and respect of those we care about, whenever deaths are mentioned, the other casualties of war should also be mentioned.