Russia & Ukraine

UsualName said:
These are big Big loses. I have to question sticking around for the fight if these casualty numbers are near accurate.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537125265184329733
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A thousand a week is not that much considering the total number of fighters available. Its currently in the middle of getting worse before it gets better.

This is a war-war, not what the US is used to except for that one time there was a shock result in Afganistan and a missile was destroyed by a wedding ;)

My friends there have switched from 100 percent operational to teaching now they know their shit. Several students are top notch. Not the dregs of society who were too poor / dumb to avoid it like Russia is fielding.
 
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Bugenhagen said:
A thousand a week is not that much considering the total number of fighters available. Its currently in the middle of getting worse before it gets better.

This is a war-war, not what the US is used to except for that one time there was a shock result in Afganistan and a missile was destroyed by a wedding ;)

My friends there have switched from 100 percent operational to teaching now they know their shit. Several students are top notch. Not the dregs of society who were too poor and dumb to avoid it like Russia is fielding.
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I get this is a major conflict. Try to understand with 100-200 casualties a day that means 5x wounded in action. This is not sustainable for any force. Even Russia has to scale back when taking too much losses.
 
UsualName said:
I get this is a major conflict. Try to understand with 100-200 casualties a day that means 5x wounded in action. This is not sustainable for any force. Even Russia has to scale back when taking too much losses.
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When Russia lost to Japan in 1905 the decisive battle was The Battle of Mukden. This involved a total of 610,000 participants and resulted in 164,000 combat casualties, 90,000 of them Russian in two weeks. It was the biggest engagement in human history to that point.

Of Ukraine's 44 million, several hundred thousand will possibly die or be unable to return to fight. If they don't fight like demons they will be attacked again and again.
 
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Bugenhagen said:
When Russia lost to Japan in 1905 the decisive battle was The Battle of Mukden. This involved a total of 610,000 participants and resulted in 164,000 combat casualties, 90,000 of them Russian in two weeks. It was the biggest engagement in human history to that point.

Of Ukraine's 44 million, several hundred thousand will possibly die or be unable to return to fight. If they don't fight like demons they will be attacked again and again.
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And Russia's only offer for a truce/peace involve Ukraine giving up their sovereignty or pieces of their country so Russia has basically created a kobyashu maru situation where it is unwinnable.
 
The end is in sight. Russia has overwhelming numbers of guns and cannon fodder, aid from the West is not visible on the front line as Russians grind forward aided by overwhelming artillery fire, and Ukraine is running low on supplies. Ukraine will be forced to the table to accept Russian terms.Russia has the numbers to win a war of attrition. I support neither side
 
Bugenhagen said:
Yeah, no.

Nobody had a plan to carve up Russia, this was the fever-dream of Russian propogandists. Its not even desirable to have more and more unpredictable countries with legacy nukes on their soil.

But now the West has a problem it can only fix by investing in new power systems like fusion and better solar etc. This all has to be done anyway or the planet as we know it is doomed so it's unavoidable pain.

In the meantime China with ass-rape Russia with unpredictable results for the world. All because of the ambitions of one dying man.
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Chinese President Xi Jinping tell Putin it's time to end this war and negotiate a settlement with Ukraine.

U.S. to send fresh military, humanitarian aid to Ukraine; Xi tells Putin he wants to see a settlement
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html

Of course we have a different narrative coming out of Russia about the call.

China, Russia Give Differing Accounts of Xi-Putin Phone Call
  • Kremlin says they discussed increasing trade, military ties
  • Beijing stresses Xi’s call for peace and economic stability
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ing-accounts-of-xi-putin-phone-call#xj4y7vzkg
 
toby400 said:
The end is in sight. Russia has overwhelming numbers of guns and cannon fodder, aid from the West is not visible on the front line as Russians grind forward aided by overwhelming artillery fire, and Ukraine is running low on supplies. Ukraine will be forced to the table to accept Russian terms.Russia has the numbers to win a war of attrition. I support neither side
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Exactly! These local idiots here are hating on me for stating the obvious. Ukraine is no match for Russia and NATO will not get involved.
 
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