Russia & Ukraine

UsualName said:
You are a Kremlin lover, we know this.

What I am telling you is you are wrong and jaundiced and juvenile if you look at the big picture and make these whataboutism arguments it just helps the Russians because they are already the bad guys. Once you equal the bad guys to their victims then they are both bad guys now and that allows for the worst case scenario of murder and rape and all of that.

There is no “both sides” in this matter and there can be no letting up.
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Right, right. So I'm a juvenile, and a Kremlin lover. Yet I continue to respond in a civil manner to you and tell you things I disagree with and why I feel the way I do. By the way, who is "we" in "we all know this" apart from you and two other ultra rabid posters?

There is always a "both sides". Even if one side is wrong.

Oh, and could you point me to your fervor and support for...well, any side in any other military conflict? I'm just curious to read what your support was before the Ukraine was all the rage.
 
UsualName said:
Bump both of these posts together because they so excellently hit the nail on the head.

I’d like to add to this: The Chinese believe Putin is trying to create a “mini Soviet Union” and I tend to agree with that. There’s an economic component that is part of his expansion plan with the Russian economy retooled to be an energy supplier, the better industrial locations are to Russia’s west and trade is much closer to Europe proper.

Make no mistake, Putin and the Russians love killing and raping but they are also greedy as hell and want what they cannot develop on their own.
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The Chinese are having to do a difficult balancing act here. Xi has the big chinese communist party meeting coming up in the fall that- it is argued- will basically decide whether he is there for life or not. And he cannot afford to go riding into that meeting with the chinese economy on in the shiiter (already bad signs) especially as covid is dishing out a beating. So Xi sees this as the best time to bring Russia in a vassal-state-to-be by siding with them in their time of need, but at the same time he cannot get so close to Russia that he starts taking the economic hits that Putin is receiving. His number one goal is to be looking good going into that party meeting.

Big mistake for Vlad to cozy up to the Chinese. Even though the west is sick of Vlad and all of his "Russian World" beating his chest day in and day out, we can be pretty tolerant as long as the Russians behave themselves. As they become a vassal state of China, the Chinese will water down Russian culture - or any culture- bigtime. The Chinese don't want to hear about all that Czar Nicholas, Orthodox Church, Prince of Kiev in Rus 1000 A.D bullshit that Vlad lives for. The Russians and the Chinese (as with the Chinese and the Japanese) have a nasty history and the Chinese will let Putin know that he is the junior partner in that arrangement.

Putin really fucked up on this one. It would have been better to work out a better deal with the west, which - contrary to his assertions- really did not have all those designs on attacking Russia. But he got greedy again and thought that Ukraine was a low hanging fruit- so now he is the village idiot in a chinese village- just add time into the mix for it to happen. He basically sold out Russia. Not going to be remembered as Peter the Great that way.

I would actuall like to be on good terms with the Russians and have them in the non-Chinese orbit but that is a lost cause now. If i get a tweet from Putin saying that he is in his bunker and is going to shoot himself and is just saying goodbye, well then maybe we can talk about Russian relations again in better times. Until then, the Russians should start brushing up on their Mandarin or Cantonese because they don't need to know English.
 
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Hilarious.

Today Google blocked the Russian Duma (Parliament) email system (duma.gov.ru). Apparently they based it in GMail. GMail! Official Russian Parliamentarians email was in GMail! Fully accessible to Google and anyone Google was willing to show it to.

Oh and Google blocked it with no access whatsoever, so they can't even transfer the existing email anywhere.

I don't know about you, but I find this one of the funniest examples of government incompetence ever.
 
terr said:
Hilarious.

Today Google blocked the Russian Duma (Parliament) email system (duma.gov.ru). Apparently they based it in GMail. GMail! Official Russian Parliamentarians email was in GMail! Fully accessible to Google and anyone Google was willing to show it to.

Oh and Google blocked it with no access whatsoever, so they can't even transfer the existing email anywhere.

I don't know about you, but I find this one of the funniest examples of government incompetence ever.
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That's pretty funny. You have to wonder why they blocked it, as I'm sure intelligence agencies here had access to it. So they either felt they had all they needed or it was useless (because the Duma is nothing but a rubber stamp for Putin anyway).
 
virtusa said:
Chechen soldier calling his wife.
  • Wife: where are you fighting? Not too much dangerous I hope.
  • Soldier: no i am safe, not in the frontline.
  • Wife: what are you doing then?
  • Soldier: We stay behind the Russian soldiers and force them to fight the Ukranians. If they want to run away we shoot at them and force them to go back fighting the Ukrainians.
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Pretty much the sole tasks the Chechens have been assigned is to execute Russian soldiers who refuse to fight and to execute Ukraine civilians.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1516844170878816256
 
US intelligence believes the reconstituted Russian force in the east is at two-thirds its size pre-invasion. Mind you all now, that is with reinforcements and mercenaries. The Russians have sustained a major loss in the first seven weeks of these numbers are close to accurate.

This whole thread is good, I suggest starting at the top. Concerning that Russian artillery is getting better at location. I don’t know it that is to be expected with more open land in western Ukraine or if the Russians are showing signs of improvement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1516847068932935682
 
virtusa said:
There are a huge amount of conversations registered between soldiers and their family in Russia.

Some examples I listened to:

Chechen soldier calling his wife.
  • Wife: where are you fighting? Not too much dangerous I hope.
  • Soldier: no i am safe, not in the frontline.
  • Wife: what are you doing then?
  • Soldier: We stay behind the Russian soldiers and force them to fight the Ukranians. If they want to run away we shoot at them and force them to go back fighting the Ukrainians.

Russian soldier calling his wife.
  • Soldier: I am in Boecha. I have two fur coats for you.
  • Wife: Ooh, that's good. Where did you find them?
  • Soldier: We shot a lot of civilians and I found the coats in a house that was abandoned.
  • Father from wife: steal as much as you can.

Russian soldier calling his wife.
  • Soldier: We are raping women.
  • Wife: You can rape as many women as you wish, but never tell me how many. And don't come back with some infection or disease.

Russian soldier calling his wife.
  • Wife: how are you?
  • Soldier: Good. You should see these houses. They all have a lot of things that we can never buy in our entire life. These people are rich.
The last conversation confirms that Russian soldiers are really the lowest of the lowest level of intelligence in Russia. They live in small prehistoric villages without roads, running water and toilets. Most of them joined the army to stay out of poverty. They are plain stupid and don't even realize how monstrous they are killing civilians and raping women and even children.
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you’re a one stupid idiot if you believe that Russian soldiers actually said this, specifically the one about raping women to his wife?! Complete horseshit!
 
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