Let's look at Putin's plans for the Ukraine...
Russia & Ukraine
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Glad you're coming around to this cancel culture charade.
I'm gonna point something out that I'm sure will go over like a turd in the proverbial punch bowl... and please note I am NOT taking Russia's side nor am I minimizing the plight of the Ukranian people, but has the thought crossed anyone's mind that the more weapons we send, the longer this will drag out and the greater and greater the numbers regarding the innocent loss of life along with an exponentially larger humanitarian crisis?
The more the US and others send, the longer this will go on. Putin wants complete disarmament, why not give it to him? Give him the win. He's learned his lesson, he won't roll into any of his non NATO neighbors now. He's always wanted Ukraine, and I don't believe the hawks that are saying he won't stop there. That's bs. Give him Ukraine and he'll stop. He'll live the rest of his years as a war criminal in hiding as his own country collapses from within. That will be his ultimate undoing.
Yes this sucks for the Ukrainian people, but a deal could be negotiated that allows them some sort of autonomy. $760B of Russian funds can be used to rebuild and make restitution.
If the goal is peace, sending more and more armament is the last thing we want to do. We are putting ourselves and all of Western Europe in even greater danger, which means EVEN MORE innocents will die. Do we really want WW3, because that's exactly where this could wind up, and IT WILL hit our shores.
We can laugh at Putin's tanks bogged down with no fuel etc, but lets not forget they are very capable in other areas. Attacking America won't require an amphibious assault on our eastern seaboard gents. Our comfy way of life could be brought to a screeching halt in a blink, and OUR economy can be crushed as the markets would tumble and martial law would be instituted as our supply chain comes to a halt. We ran out of toilet paper and people panicked, what will happen when there's no food?
Ya know sometimes in chess you have to sacrifice a bishop to save your queen.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only stating the facts. Put aside the idealism which I'm sure will now rain down on this post and look at the bigger picture, and all that lies in the balance. Let Putin have Ukraine, and make it clear he stops there. In the end this will save perhaps many more millions of lives. Think I'm kidding? I'm not. And in the end, that should be the ultimate goal.
The more the US and others send, the longer this will go on. Putin wants complete disarmament, why not give it to him? Give him the win. He's learned his lesson, he won't roll into any of his non NATO neighbors now. He's always wanted Ukraine, and I don't believe the hawks that are saying he won't stop there. That's bs. Give him Ukraine and he'll stop. He'll live the rest of his years as a war criminal in hiding as his own country collapses from within. That will be his ultimate undoing.
Yes this sucks for the Ukrainian people, but a deal could be negotiated that allows them some sort of autonomy. $760B of Russian funds can be used to rebuild and make restitution.
If the goal is peace, sending more and more armament is the last thing we want to do. We are putting ourselves and all of Western Europe in even greater danger, which means EVEN MORE innocents will die. Do we really want WW3, because that's exactly where this could wind up, and IT WILL hit our shores.
We can laugh at Putin's tanks bogged down with no fuel etc, but lets not forget they are very capable in other areas. Attacking America won't require an amphibious assault on our eastern seaboard gents. Our comfy way of life could be brought to a screeching halt in a blink, and OUR economy can be crushed as the markets would tumble and martial law would be instituted as our supply chain comes to a halt. We ran out of toilet paper and people panicked, what will happen when there's no food?
Ya know sometimes in chess you have to sacrifice a bishop to save your queen.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only stating the facts. Put aside the idealism which I'm sure will now rain down on this post and look at the bigger picture, and all that lies in the balance. Let Putin have Ukraine, and make it clear he stops there. In the end this will save perhaps many more millions of lives. Think I'm kidding? I'm not. And in the end, that should be the ultimate goal.
Let us know how the policy of appeasement worked out for Chamberlain.
Its not the same thing. Far from it. As I said, 170 nations make it clear he stops there. Or else.
Ah... just like the League of Nations did.
They're already dependent on China for a lot, but yep - China has yet to take advantage of that, and we can be sure they will.
And what would have happened had Biden not been elected? More attempted extortion of Zelensky by Trump? Or Congress having to force Trump to arm the Ukrainians like in the past?
You all have a failure of memory. The most likely outcome with Trump, who would have been in second term, would have been no American response and a divided NATO. Ukraine would have been a cakewalk for Russia had Trump been re-elected.
You better believe the Chinese are happy to see Russia falter and reliant on China. It’s a windfall.
Did you not insinuate that anti-vax sites that promoted misinformation are now promoting misinformation on Russia?