That's a bold move Cotton. No fly zones incoming in 3..2...1
Russia & Ukraine
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The U.S. has already ruled out a "no-fly zone" after Zelenskyy's appeal. I don't see a "no-fly zone" happening. We would need to see U.S. air assets being moved to the region if this was being considered -- and I don't see this happening.
US rules out Ukraine no-fly zone after Zelenskyy appeal
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/us-rules-out-ukraine-no-fly-zone-after-zelenskyy-appeal
Sorry, I understood but I was thinking a step darker
He has plenty of attention and the millenials + who didn't live the good old days are not in power yet. Detonating a nuke does kit change the equation for him I think. We still have nukes and could do the same, what changes?Dunno, all my experience says the Russian ego can't be bargained with. They have to see hard and fast their looming losses.
The flip-flopping ahead will be legendary from the EU and US. No fly zone may still come in the West of Ukraine as the civilian deaths get too bad.
Your history lesson is well taken, and correct. I also agree the best way, at the moment, is to bury Putin financially. My point was Putin has a hell of a lot more firepower at his disposal than Kim ever did and that makes him considerably more dangerous.
The 64-dollar question is are we dealing with a bully, or a bully who is also a madman? A bully we can beat. A madman under these circumstances can end civilization as we know it. If Putin is your run of the mill bully, then he'll bend under the financial pressure. If he's nuts, as many now suspect, then he will escalate and that may come faster than we think. At that point we better have a knockout punch that we can deliver fast, and I'm not necessarily talking a nuclear exchange, but an assassin(s) that can take him and his henchman out. All I know is we should think long and hard about whether or not we're playing chicken with a bully, or with a crazy fuck who is willing to burn it all to the ground if he doesn't get what he wants. For now, squeeze the money, but...
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Huge explosions rock Kyiv hours after dozens were killed in Russian CLUSTER BOMBS attack on Kharkiv
- Russians are now using banned cluster munitions against civilian areas, experts and activists have warned
- Attack with Grad rockets on shopping centre in Kharkiv today killed dozens and wounded hundreds, Kyiv said
- Campaign group Amnesty said similar bombs were used to destroy a school in Okhtyrka, leaving three dead
- If Russia is confirmed to have used the weapons it could constitute a war crime, amid warnings that Putin is likely to start resorting to using heavier weapons to turn the tide of war
Russia appears to have used banned cluster munitions to indiscriminately shell civilian areas in Ukraine's east that had stood up to Vladimir Putin's invasion in what would constitute a war crime.
Kharkiv, which has witnessed some of the heaviest fighting of the war so far, was hit by rockets fired from Russian positions on Monday - with video showing a shopping centre in the Serpnia area blanketed by explosions. A military source told MailOnline that the videos showed 'cluster' munitions had been used.
'The BM-21 Grad is a multiple launch rocket system used for 'area denial', dropping cluster bombs on a concentrated area,' the expert said. 'It's mainly used on enemy troops before an offensive. Used against civilians, it's not only a war crime, but has only one purpose – to spread terror and alarm among the civilian population.'
Graphic images and video revealed streets littered with the bodies of dead and badly wounded civilians, with other images showing showing spent BM-21 Grad rocket cartridges laying in the streets and having fallen through apartment roofs.
Cluster munitions were also to destroy a school in Okhtyrka, activist group Amnesty said, in which three people including a child were killed. The attack 'appears to have been carried out by Russian forces, which were operating nearby, and which have a record of using cluster munitions in populated areas,' Amnesty said.
'There is no possible justification for dropping cluster munitions in populated areas, let alone near a school,' secretary Agnes Callamard added.
The blasts mark some of the most-serious attacks on civilians since the war began five days ago, and came despite Ukrainian and Russian delegations sitting down in Belarus for 'peace talks'.
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As you stated -- enforcing a no-fly zone only in western Ukraine would be much more achievable. However the reality is that Western nations are taking no steps to position air-power in the region so effectively they do not have the assets in place (or even in gear) to enforce any type of no-fly zone.
Let's see how the DeNazification is going...
Russians attack Babyn Yar Holocaust massacre site in Kyiv
Andriy Yermak, Chairman of the Ukrainian Presidential Office, said: 'Russia has launched a missile attack...These villains are killing Holocaust victims for the second time.'
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699034
Russians attack Babyn Yar Holocaust massacre site in Kyiv
Andriy Yermak, Chairman of the Ukrainian Presidential Office, said: 'Russia has launched a missile attack...These villains are killing Holocaust victims for the second time.'
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699034
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63% OF AMERICANS CONCERNED RUSSIA MAY USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS, QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY NATIONAL POLL FINDS
7 OUT OF 10 SAY U.S. TROOPS SHOULD GET INVOLVED IF RUSSIA INVADES A NATO COUNTRY
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us02282022_umex87.pdf
In a survey that began after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and concluded Sunday evening, a majority of
Americans are voicing concern about Russia’s nuclear weapons. In the wake of Russian President Vladimir Putin referencing dire consequences facing any country that tries to counter the invasion, Americans say 63–32 percent that they are concerned that Russia may use nuclear weapons if NATO, which includes the United States, tries to interfere with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of adults released today.
Most of the survey was conducted before Putin announced Sunday that he was ordering Russian nuclear forces to be put on high alert. Americans think 66–20 percent that Putin has intentions to invade other countries beyond Ukraine. If Russia invades a NATO country, Americans say70–21 percent that American troops should get involved.
Support has increased for President Biden’s decision to deploy thousands of troops to Eastern Europe to support U.S. allies in NATO. Americans now support the decision 70–21 percent.In a February 16, 2022 Quinnipiac University Poll, they supported it 54–36 percent.
“American support for defending NATO countries surrounding Ukraine grows dramatically, but Americans cast a wary eye on the possible consequences.By more than three to one, they see Russia expanding its attack, and register deep concern over the darkest possible scenario, a nuclear attack on NATO and/or theUnited States,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
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"Americans say 86–6 percent that Russia is not justified in making the claim that Ukraine should be reclaimed by Russia and no longer be a sovereign territory"
63% OF AMERICANS CONCERNED RUSSIA MAY USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS, QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY NATIONAL POLL FINDS
7 OUT OF 10 SAY U.S. TROOPS SHOULD GET INVOLVED IF RUSSIA INVADES A NATO COUNTRY
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us02282022_umex87.pdf
In a survey that began after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and concluded Sunday evening, a majority of
Americans are voicing concern about Russia’s nuclear weapons. In the wake of Russian President Vladimir Putin referencing dire consequences facing any country that tries to counter the invasion, Americans say 63–32 percent that they are concerned that Russia may use nuclear weapons if NATO, which includes the United States, tries to interfere with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of adults released today.
Most of the survey was conducted before Putin announced Sunday that he was ordering Russian nuclear forces to be put on high alert. Americans think 66–20 percent that Putin has intentions to invade other countries beyond Ukraine. If Russia invades a NATO country, Americans say70–21 percent that American troops should get involved.
Support has increased for President Biden’s decision to deploy thousands of troops to Eastern Europe to support U.S. allies in NATO. Americans now support the decision 70–21 percent.In a February 16, 2022 Quinnipiac University Poll, they supported it 54–36 percent.
“American support for defending NATO countries surrounding Ukraine grows dramatically, but Americans cast a wary eye on the possible consequences.By more than three to one, they see Russia expanding its attack, and register deep concern over the darkest possible scenario, a nuclear attack on NATO and/or theUnited States,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
(More at above url)
"Americans say 86–6 percent that Russia is not justified in making the claim that Ukraine should be reclaimed by Russia and no longer be a sovereign territory"