Russia & Ukraine

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Ukraine was considered to have the second most powerful military force on the European continent, behind Russia, of course.

Bullshiat. Ukraine does not even make the list of top world military forces -- much less even making the top 5 in Europe.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1522450/Europe-biggest-military-powers-ranked-EVG
Nov 17, 2021

The index uses more than 50 individual factors to determine the PowerIndex score including military might, financials, logistical capability and geography.

The strongest country by military power in Europe is Russia with a score of 0.080.

France ranks as the second most powerful with a PwrIndex score of 0.1681.

The UK ranks as the third most powerful European country - with a score of 0.1997.

Let's see where the European nations are in the list beyond the top three powers.

• Italy: PwrIndx Score - 0.2127
• Germany: PwrIndx Score - 0.2527
• Spain: PwrIndx Score - 0.2519
• Poland: PwrIndx Score - 0.3257
• Ukraine: PwrIndx Score - 0.4187
• Greece: PwrIndx Score - 0.4954
• Switzerland: PwrIndx Score - 0.5011
• Sweden: PwrIndx Score - 0.5345
• Czech Republic: PwrIndx Score - 0.6204
• The Netherlands: PwrIndx Score - 0.6391
• Romania: PwrIndx Score - 0.6953
• Belarus: PwrIndx Score - 0.8371
• Portugal: PwrIndx Score - 0.8661
• Denmark: PwrIndx Score - 0.8921
• Hungary: PwrIndx Score - 0.9187
• Finland: PwrIndx Score - 0.9335
• Slovakia: PwrIndx Score - 0.9451
• Austria: PwrIndx Score - 0.9705
• Serbia: PwrIndx Score - 1.0063
• Croatia: PwrIndx Score - 1.0331
• Bulgaria: PwrIndx Score - 1.1438
• Belgium: PwrIndx Score - 1.1809
• Lithuania: PwrIndx Score - 1.7549
• Slovenia: PwrIndx Score - 2.0782
• Latvia: PwrIndx Score - 2.3756
• Ireland: PwrIndx Score - 2.3861
• Moldova: PwrIndx Score - 2.6228
• Estonia: PwrIndx Score - 2.8387
• Albania: PwrIndx Score - 2.9166
• Bosnia and Herzegovina: PwrIndx Score - 4.0474
• Montenegro: PwrIndx Score - 4.3841
• North Macedonia: PwrIndx Score - 5.0801
• Kosovo: PwrIndx Score - 19.4791.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Ukranians kill a major cockroach.

The Chechnyan/sp fighters are nasty. They are relgious zealots that go nutty and nasty. And they are piling into Ukraine by the pantload to help Putin.

But - the Ukranians bagged one of the big cockroaches right out of the gate.

Burn in hell motherfucker. Fuck you and the goddam horse you rode in on you piece of shit.

It is complicated though. some of the Chechnian and Georgian fighters who resisted the Russians in their countries/regions have also moved into Ukraine to help Ukraine so I dont want give the resistance fighter Chechyans a bad rap. The cockroach who was killed was with Putin's buddy though. I need a scorecard to tell the players.

ALL OUT WAR
Hero Ukrainian troops destroy Russian convoy of tanks killing top Chechen general as failed siege leaves Putin ‘raging’

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4781009/missile-strikes-third-night-fighting-2/

 

[Bugenhagen]

You are a distributed individual
Why not just debate the thread subject....and not accuse others of having debilitating childhood aliments
*Current research suggests between 8 and 18 percent of individuals with Down syndrome may also have autism
*An estimated seven percent of children with cerebral palsy have co-occurring autism

I will help get back on track
Is Putin targeting children
1 day ago — Around 12 tiny newborns were evacuated to basement of hospital in Dnipro to hide from bombing by Vladimir Putin's forces.

Its not a childhood ailment, its lifelong and you have more than a touch of it, Asperger's. Poor comprehension of people's movies or feelings and emotions is just a part of it.

Researching after the fact to paper over ignorance as you do is a compulsive behavior associated with it in some people, who were also brought up to be arseholes.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Source

Heard on CNN or Fox News. Just did a Google search on “2nd largest military in Europe” and “2nd largest land force in Europe”. Was not able to find story I heard. Ok, I have to take the hit for not verifying information from the US news media.

Shame on me.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Heard on CNN or Fox News. Just did a Google search on “2nd largest military in Europe” and “2nd largest land force in Europe”. Was not able to find story I heard. Ok, I have to take the hit for not verifying information from the US news media.

Shame on me.

Ukraine is the second largest land mass country in Europe so that might have been what you read or maybe mislead the source of what your read.

 

[ph1l]

Where is Putin getting the 50 foot long tables from?

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The controversy over that is yet another international incident.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/world/putin-table.html

Who built Putin’s long table? Competing claims arise from Spain and Italy.

The table where President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia meets with world leaders has received global attention. Credit...Sputnik
By Emma Bubola and Raphael Minder

• Feb. 16, 2022

With Ukraine’s fate uncertain, world attention has focused on urgent negotiations, troop movements, threats, high-profile meetings.

And President Vladimir V. Putin’s table.

The white, oval behemoth, where the Russian president has met with leaders including President Emmanuel Macron of France and Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, has become the subject of semiotic analysis, countless memes, and, now, an international disagreement between two furniture makers who both say they built it.

On Tuesday, Spanish furniture maker Vicente Zaragozá told Spanish radio station Cope that his company had provided the table and that, though it is not perfect, seeing it separating Mr. Putin and Mr. Macron “made me emotional.”

In the north of Italy, Renato Pologna, who runs his family’s furniture manufacturing company, said he had no idea what Mr. Zaragozá was talking about.

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“We made the table,” he said. “I don’t even know who these people are.”

Mr. Pologna said that his company, OAK, built the table for Boris Yeltsin in 1995 when he was the president of Russia, as part of a commission to fully furnish two floors of a Kremlin palace. Within two years, he said his company provided wooden paneling, doors, sofas, tables and marble fireplaces for the room where Mr. Putin has been meeting with leaders, as well as for other rooms and the building’s upper floor, which is a private residence for the president.

Mr. Pologna said the 20-foot-long table is made of seasoned beech hardwood, lacquered with water-based paint and decorated with gold leaves. Just the top weighs about 770 pounds, he said.

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Mr. Zaragozá, who could not be reached for comment on Wednesday, told the radio station that the table was “made of wood from the Alps, from trees that grow in the shadows, because when trees grow in the sun, they grow in a hurry.” He said that his company supplied the Kremlin between 2002 and 2006.

Mr. Pologna said Mr. Zaragozá could not have built the original table because it appeared in a book published in Russia in 2000 with pictures from the Kremlin’s palace and provided an image from the book.

The Kremlin could not immediately clear up the issue.

The furniture makers have extensive résumés. Mr. Zaragozá’s company has produced furniture for other big clients in the former Soviet Union, including designing a dining room for the president of Uzbekistan. Mr. Pologna said that he has furnished the palaces of Malaysian sultans, the private residences of Arab royal families and did some work for Saddam Hussein in the early days of his government.

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But the table in Moscow now holds special meaning to them both.

“It gave me the satisfaction of having done something important, the rest doesn’t matter to me,” Mr. Zaragozá said.

“If they manage to solve the situation” in Ukraine, Mr. Pologna said, “it means this table brought them luck.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493590651694649345

 

[Mercor]

Heard on CNN or Fox News. Just did a Google search on “2nd largest military in Europe” and “2nd largest land force in Europe”. Was not able to find story I heard. Ok, I have to take the hit for not verifying information from the US news media.

Shame on me.

This might be one stat used
Its a complicated question.

 

[UsualName]

A lot has been made of stingers and javelins but these bayraktars have been eating Russians up.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Bullshiat. Ukraine does not even make the list of top world military forces -- much less even making the top 5 in Europe.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1522450/Europe-biggest-military-powers-ranked-EVG
Nov 17, 2021

The index uses more than 50 individual factors to determine the PowerIndex score including military might, financials, logistical capability and geography.

The strongest country by military power in Europe is Russia with a score of 0.080.

France ranks as the second most powerful with a PwrIndex score of 0.1681.

The UK ranks as the third most powerful European country - with a score of 0.1997.

Let's see where the European nations are in the list beyond the top three powers.

• Italy: PwrIndx Score - 0.2127
• Germany: PwrIndx Score - 0.2527
• Spain: PwrIndx Score - 0.2519
• Poland: PwrIndx Score - 0.3257
• Ukraine: PwrIndx Score - 0.4187
• Greece: PwrIndx Score - 0.4954
• Switzerland: PwrIndx Score - 0.5011
• Sweden: PwrIndx Score - 0.5345
• Czech Republic: PwrIndx Score - 0.6204
• The Netherlands: PwrIndx Score - 0.6391
• Romania: PwrIndx Score - 0.6953
• Belarus: PwrIndx Score - 0.8371
• Portugal: PwrIndx Score - 0.8661
• Denmark: PwrIndx Score - 0.8921
• Hungary: PwrIndx Score - 0.9187
• Finland: PwrIndx Score - 0.9335
• Slovakia: PwrIndx Score - 0.9451
• Austria: PwrIndx Score - 0.9705
• Serbia: PwrIndx Score - 1.0063
• Croatia: PwrIndx Score - 1.0331
• Bulgaria: PwrIndx Score - 1.1438
• Belgium: PwrIndx Score - 1.1809
• Lithuania: PwrIndx Score - 1.7549
• Slovenia: PwrIndx Score - 2.0782
• Latvia: PwrIndx Score - 2.3756
• Ireland: PwrIndx Score - 2.3861
• Moldova: PwrIndx Score - 2.6228
• Estonia: PwrIndx Score - 2.8387
• Albania: PwrIndx Score - 2.9166
• Bosnia and Herzegovina: PwrIndx Score - 4.0474
• Montenegro: PwrIndx Score - 4.3841
• North Macedonia: PwrIndx Score - 5.0801
• Kosovo: PwrIndx Score - 19.4791.

Subjective scores? Are you kidding? The most relevant are land and air forces, including missile systems. Germany? How much of US forces are included in that? Looks like I need to dig deeper. Even Wikipedia.org is not showing specific numbers comparing forces on the European Continent, much less discussion on “Relative quality”.

Maybe I heard right, after all. If so, scary to think the mismatch between Russia and any single other Nato country other than the US. Then again, probably any major power would not be able to safely absorb a first strike on the bulk of its forces by another major power. But that may be preemptive of me.

Again, Russia dismantling either the next largest modern Army on the European Continent or one of the top armies on the European Continent. Within 24 hours. At least to the point of putting them into a mostly defensive position.

The next time Russian forces gather on another country’s border, perhaps you would be kind enough to ask which body part their leader is preparing to kiss goodbye.

 

[Tony Stark]

This might be one stat used
Its a complicated question.
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It is not a complicated question.

% of GDP military spending means nothing when Ukraine's GPD is less than Texas.