Russia & Ukraine

No. You are nothing if not consistent. Yes, the whole world knew in 2020 that there were high tension issues moving to breaking points. Trump effectively appeased Putin by undermining NATO. Putin was thrilled with Trump’s approach. He had his stooge in America and effective media campaigns fracturing social fabric in western countries. You, yourself, often parrot the misinformation fed through right wing media. Things were going well for Putin with Trump in power.

Biden, being sort of a classic pro western American President, does threaten Putin because it strengthens NATO.

No one can honestly disagree that NATO is more United with Biden as President than Trump.

Similarly, you cannot honestly argue against the strongest countermeasure to Russia is NATO.

Strong NATO = strong countermeasures against Russia.

Russia dominates Eastern Europe. We, the west, are effectively trying to move and increase our influence in Eastern Europe to ultimately reduce the threat the Russians pose to us, the west.

Your arguments don’t make sense in the real world. Appeasing Russia does not help. Chumming up to our opponents and denigrating our allies weakens us. Unless of course your goal is to leave the western tradition then, yeah, Trump is a good choice.

We, America, are doing a good job on a number of areas right now. We have a pretty good United front. We are holding the line on sovereignty. We are undermining Russia’s plans and we have broadcast strong consequences for Russia. So far so good.

The after effects of Russia moving into Ukraine, if they do move in, is the next phase. The challenges coming up are going to be much greater. Not only might we have an active war in Ukraine complete with refugees and spill overs, we will be dealing with Russian retaliation for the sanctions.

We’ll see.
That's why I keep thinking the lemon may be worth the squeeze if it gives him back Russia-appeasing GOP back in power. Putin bleeds the markets, pisses off the electorate and keeps them on edge until the midterms by parking his army there.
 
No. You are nothing if not consistent. Yes, the whole world knew in 2020 that there were high tension issues moving to breaking points. Trump effectively appeased Putin by undermining NATO. Putin was thrilled with Trump’s approach. He had his stooge in America and effective media campaigns fracturing social fabric in western countries. You, yourself, often parrot the misinformation fed through right wing media. Things were going well for Putin with Trump in power.

Biden, being sort of a classic pro western American President, does threaten Putin because it strengthens NATO.

No one can honestly disagree that NATO is more United with Biden as President than Trump.

Similarly, you cannot honestly argue against the strongest countermeasure to Russia is NATO.

Strong NATO = strong countermeasures against Russia.

Russia dominates Eastern Europe. We, the west, are effectively trying to move and increase our influence in Eastern Europe to ultimately reduce the threat the Russians pose to us, the west.

Your arguments don’t make sense in the real world. Appeasing Russia does not help. Chumming up to our opponents and denigrating our allies weakens us. Unless of course your goal is to leave the western tradition then, yeah, Trump is a good choice.

We, America, are doing a good job on a number of areas right now. We have a pretty good United front. We are holding the line on sovereignty. We are undermining Russia’s plans and we have broadcast strong consequences for Russia. So far so good.

The after effects of Russia moving into Ukraine, if they do move in, is the next phase. The challenges coming up are going to be much greater. Not only might we have an active war in Ukraine complete with refugees and spill overs, we will be dealing with Russian retaliation for the sanctions.

We’ll see.
Trump didn't "undermine NATO"... he made them pay their fair share.

Now we have this German cat calling Putin. Where's the unity here? Is this guy gonna negotiate something on his own for what's best for Germany?
Trump was right, the Europeans need to do more for NATO. It's their backyard.
We should be paying attention to China if you ask me.
 
Amazing how many clowns will still believe a "world renowned," chronic, certified, bullshitter like Trump.
Trump didn't "undermine NATO
FactChecking Trump’s NATO Remarks
By Eugene Kiely, Lori Robertson, Robert Farley and D'Angelo Gore
Posted on December 3, 2019
  • President Donald Trump repeated a slew of false claims to an international audience at the annual NATO summit:
  • The overwhelming majority of captured Islamic State fighters are from Iraq and Syria. They are not, as Trump claimed, “mostly from Europe.”
  • Although about half of the territory once held by the Islamic State was regained under President Barack Obama, Trump again wrongly claimed that, “When I came in, it was virtually 100%. And I knocked it down to zero.”
  • The U.S. trade deficit with the European Union has gone up under Trump, contrary to his suggestion that he had reduced it “fairly rapidly.” And as he has done many times, he inflated the amount of that trade deficit.
  • The president wrongly claimed that other NATO member countries’ spending on defense was “heading down” three years ago. That spending went up in 2015 and 2016. And he claimed countries that spent a low percentage of their GDP on defense were “delinquent.” They don’t owe NATO, or other countries, any money.
  • Trump said the U.S. “never used to win” World Trade Organization cases “before me,” which is not so. The U.S. has historically won most of the cases it has brought to the WTO against other nations.
  • He falsely claimed that South Korea was only paying “$500 million a year” under a cost-sharing deal that helps fund U.S. military forces stationed there. South Korea was already paying over $800 million a year when it agreed earlier this year to increase its contribution by 8.2%.
  • A June 2018 joint statement from Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un didn’t say Kim “will denuclearize,” as Trump claimed.
  • Japan pays $1.7 billion to $2.1 billion per year toward the cost of having U.S. troops stationed in the country, while the U.S. spends $1.9 billion to $2.5 billion. But Trumpfalsely impliedthat Japan isn’t sharing the cost of the U.S. military presence.
Much More: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/factchecking-trumps-nato-remarks/
 
I was looking at what I guess is the lion's share of the reason for this behaviour* and it seems to be controlling the future food supplies of a number of nations. Control the politicians with bread by absorbing the competition.

We know China is destroying the oceans wholesale and a serious time is coming where population growth is overwhelming global food production.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...raine-and-the-global-wheat-supply-interactive


*there will be many reasons in parallel.
 
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Look... another right-wing leader in the U.S. supporting Putin.

'Get off your knees, charlatan': Franklin Graham's 'Pray for President Putin' plea sets off wave of criticism
https://www.rawstory.com/franklin-graham-putin/

A tweet from Christian Evangelical leader Franklin Graham, calling for his followers to "Pray for President Putin today," and not the people of Ukraine who are living in fear they will be invaded by Russia has set off a wave of criticism on Twitter.

According to Graham, who is a notable supporter of former president Donald Trump who has his own cozy relationship with the former KGB head, "This may sound like a strange request, but we need to pray that God would work in his heart so that war could be avoided at all cost. May God give wisdom to the leaders involved in these talks & negotiations, as well as those advising them."

Commenters were quick to point out he didn't ask for prayers for President Joe Biden by name as the United States attempts to intervene and stop what could be a devastating war in the region.

As one commenter pointed out, "Putin literally blew up a passenger airliner and mercilessly murdered 298 people."

Another added, "A fine day to grovel to your overlord$ eh? Get off your knees, charlatan."

You can see some more responses below:

(More at above url)
 
Trump didn't "undermine NATO"... he made them pay their fair share.

Now we have this German cat calling Putin. Where's the unity here? Is this guy gonna negotiate something on his own for what's best for Germany?
Trump was right, the Europeans need to do more for NATO. It's their backyard.
We should be paying attention to China if you ask me.

Trump rebuked China by vetoing the lousy WTO agreement Odumbo wanted. Biden ready to kiss Xi's ass on just about everything.

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No. You are nothing if not consistent. Yes, the whole world knew in 2020 that there were high tension issues moving to breaking points. Trump effectively appeased Putin by undermining NATO. Putin was thrilled with Trump’s approach. He had his stooge in America and effective media campaigns fracturing social fabric in western countries. You, yourself, often parrot the misinformation fed through right wing media. Things were going well for Putin with Trump in power.

Biden, being sort of a classic pro western American President, does threaten Putin because it strengthens NATO.

No one can honestly disagree that NATO is more United with Biden as President than Trump.

Similarly, you cannot honestly argue against the strongest countermeasure to Russia is NATO.

Strong NATO = strong countermeasures against Russia.

Russia dominates Eastern Europe. We, the west, are effectively trying to move and increase our influence in Eastern Europe to ultimately reduce the threat the Russians pose to us, the west.

Your arguments don’t make sense in the real world. Appeasing Russia does not help. Chumming up to our opponents and denigrating our allies weakens us. Unless of course your goal is to leave the western tradition then, yeah, Trump is a good choice.

We, America, are doing a good job on a number of areas right now. We have a pretty good United front. We are holding the line on sovereignty. We are undermining Russia’s plans and we have broadcast strong consequences for Russia. So far so good.

The after effects of Russia moving into Ukraine, if they do move in, is the next phase. The challenges coming up are going to be much greater. Not only might we have an active war in Ukraine complete with refugees and spill overs, we will be dealing with Russian retaliation for the sanctions.

We’ll see.

I see. Still working for your extra potato. Meanwhile, out in the real world, Putin did not go into Ukraine under Trump. Did/is under Biden. Right on schedule. Just as predicted. Axiomatic.

Ditto for the Iranians- along with the Chinese.

The Iranians have pretty much died and gone to heaven under Biden. Not only does he project the level of weakness that any enemy can only dream of, but Biden has killed our energy supply so that he is negotiating a new nuke deal right while he deperately needs to have their oil come back on to the market. Nice. Who is holding the cards there? So there is another area where you can earn another potato in your rations, Comrade- trying to splain that away.
 
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Trump rebuked China by vetoing the lousy WTO agreement Odumbo wanted. Biden ready to kiss Xi's ass on just about everything.

:(

Not been the same same the alien abduction. I saw on Southpark these happen a lot in Colorado where Scatty is.
 
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